Would you support a $15 an hour minimum wage?

[Cassius]

I love the minimum wage hate on this site, yet whenever they put it up for a vote it always passes in landslide votes.

Forum full of horrible spoiled rich kids.

Hang on, there are also class traitors and scabs who hate on the minimum wage. Don't heap all the blame in the corner of us horrible, spoiled little rich kids.

You're quite right.  My only defense - he hadn't posted yet:

no.  minimum wage laws should be left to the states.

a very high minimum wage would lead to high unemployment and inflation.

I'm presuming they get sent to Mme Guillotine as well. Or perhaps a burning at the stake (my own favoured method of execution). After all, the latter would provide work for both loggers and carpenters, and could be used to teach kids valuable life skills (the aforementioned logging, lighting a nice, roaring fire etc...)

[Peter the Lefty]

Yes.  Cut taxes for small businesses so that they don't loose revenue.  And penalize all large corporations that lay off workers as a result of the minimum wage hike.

So you'd rather they cut hours?

No.  Cut the salaries of CEO's.

There isn't going to be nearly enough there in most cases.

In cases where it isn't, then there should be exemptions, but if the management of large corporations and the profits the corporations turn up are both cut, then $15/hour wages would be perfectly reasonable w/o layoffs.

So it's okay for them to lay off managers? Even if so, if you don't have good management in these stores, they'll lose business - which lead to layoffs.  If you make regulations, you're going to have to live with the results of those regulations one way or the other.
What you are basically proposing is to make it harder for a business to be successful and then punishing them for being less successful.

No, I am merely proposing that they be afforded the same pay as their workers.  Shocking concept.

Well, if you are genuinely proposing that they receive the same rate of pay as their employees, then that is a genuinely shocking concept. Especially since the managers perform harder tasks than the workers and are thus paid more as an incentive for people to do those harder, more intellectually demanding jobs.

Lolno

[TNF]

Yes (normal)

I love the minimum wage hate on this site, yet whenever they put it up for a vote it always passes in landslide votes.

Forum full of horrible spoiled rich kids.

Quoted for truth. The overclass bias of this forum is disgusting.

[Leftbehind]

I'm just waiting for freefair to quote Supersonic and Cassius, and we'll have about a third of the UK presence on this forum voting against a minimum wage, putting them amongst the sizeable 4% support it receives in actuality.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

no.  minimum wage laws should be left to the states.

Nah.  We have an integrated national economy.  If there is to be a minimum wage, it makes sense for there to a federal one.  However, I wouldn't impose it on the territories where there isn't that level of integration and because of geographic factors, there never can be.  Imposing the Federal minimum wage upon American Samoa a few years ago killed the tuna canneries there.

[Dr. Cynic]

15 is probably higher than where I would go, but I definitely support an increase over what it is.

[RedSLC]

15 is probably higher than where I would go, but I definitely support an increase over what it is.

[opebo]

class traitors and scabs

no.  minimum wage laws should be left to the states.

a very high minimum wage would lead to high unemployment and inflation.

I'm presuming they get sent to Mme Guillotine as well. Or perhaps a burning at the stake (my own favoured method of execution). After all, the latter would provide work for both loggers and carpenters, and could be used to teach kids valuable life skills (the aforementioned logging, lighting a nice, roaring fire etc...)

Oh it wouldn't do any harm to eliminate them as well, that's certain.  However I think it would confuse the simple folk to have these traitors sliced by the same elegant, historically correct machines used on the class enemy.  Something more ignominious would be in order - perhaps simply dumping them in a big hole and covering it up.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Yes.  Cut taxes for small businesses so that they don't loose revenue.  And penalize all large corporations that lay off workers as a result of the minimum wage hike.

So you'd rather they cut hours?

No.  Cut the salaries of CEO's.

There isn't going to be nearly enough there in most cases.

In cases where it isn't, then there should be exemptions, but if the management of large corporations and the profits the corporations turn up are both cut, then $15/hour wages would be perfectly reasonable w/o layoffs.

So it's okay for them to lay off managers? Even if so, if you don't have good management in these stores, they'll lose business - which lead to layoffs.  If you make regulations, you're going to have to live with the results of those regulations one way or the other.
What you are basically proposing is to make it harder for a business to be successful and then punishing them for being less successful.

No, I am merely proposing that they be afforded the same pay as their workers.  Shocking concept.

It's shocking someone would assume they can make such a radical change in their business model without any disruption to employment.

[windjammer]

Support.

[WalterMitty]

the minimum wage is $8 here in mass, a high cost of living state.  i would support an increase to $9 or so.  but such a minimum wage would be way too high in the hinterlands of america.

[freefair]

I'm just waiting for freefair to quote Supersonic and Cassius, and we'll have about a third of the UK presence on this forum voting against a minimum wage, putting them amongst the sizeable 4% support it receives in actuality.

I'm not against minimum wages or reasonable increases in them, but $15 is about £9.32.
Speaking as an Economics majoring student (thus I'm in a position where this is required knowledge), and someone who is on the minimum wage and knows they don't deserve more, that's a risk in terms of both inflation, tax revenue, supply and demand equilibrium, and unemployment.
Economically it that doesn't make sense- you've got to have some inequality in order to justify the existence of more difficult, specialist, demanding or skilled jobs. Raising it to $9 an hour would be a lot less damaging,
I'm not Ideologically inflexible.

[Cassius]

You misunderstand the left-wing interpretation of what business is for. To some, it exists solely to provide jobs for people, not to make a profit. Therefore, no minimum wage increase, no increase in regulations and no reduction in working hours will ever be too much, as the business exists solely to provide social security to its employees (unless their evul managers and scabs, in which case they can go to hell).

[freefair]

You misunderstand the left-wing interpretation of what business is for. To some, it exists solely to provide jobs for people, not to make a profit. Therefore, no minimum wage increase, no increase in regulations and no reduction in working hours will ever be too much, as the business exists solely to provide social security to its employees (unless their evul managers and scabs, in which case they can go to hell).

What they forget is that efficiency, technology and cost-limiting prioritization are at the heart of incredible modern productivity.

[opebo]

You misunderstand the left-wing interpretation of what business is for. To some, it exists solely to provide jobs for people, not to make a profit. Therefore, no minimum wage increase, no increase in regulations and no reduction in working hours will ever be too much, as the business exists solely to provide social security to its employees (unless their evul managers and scabs, in which case they can go to hell).

No, business exists to enslave the workers, Cassius.

[TNF]

You misunderstand the left-wing interpretation of what business is for. To some, it exists solely to provide jobs for people, not to make a profit. Therefore, no minimum wage increase, no increase in regulations and no reduction in working hours will ever be too much, as the business exists solely to provide social security to its employees (unless their evul managers and scabs, in which case they can go to hell).

No, business exists to enslave the workers, Cassius.

[RosettaStoned]

 Yes, but twenty dollars would be ideal, IMO.

[TNF]

the minimum wage is $8 here in mass, a high cost of living state.  i would support an increase to $9 or so.  but such a minimum wage would be way too high in the hinterlands of america.

translation: the rural poor should stay poor forever because I don't like them

[DC Al Fine]

the minimum wage is $8 here in mass, a high cost of living state.  i would support an increase to $9 or so.  but such a minimum wage would be way too high in the hinterlands of america.

translation: the rural poor should stay poor forever because I don't like them

Damn you f[inks]ed that straw man up good.

[Indy Texas]

Yes.  Cut taxes for small businesses so that they don't loose revenue.  And penalize all large corporations that lay off workers as a result of the minimum wage hike.

So you'd rather they cut hours?

No.  Cut the salaries of CEO's.

There isn't going to be nearly enough there in most cases.

In cases where it isn't, then there should be exemptions, but if the management of large corporations and the profits the corporations turn up are both cut, then $15/hour wages would be perfectly reasonable w/o layoffs.

So as a shareholder in a company like Target or Walmart, what is there for me if the hourly workers' pay starts at $15/hr and no remotely qualified managers are willing to work there because the pay doesn't justify it? You've more or less wiped out profits, so the value of my investment in the company isn't going to grow and I'm not going to get any dividends. I'm going to sell my stock and so is everyone else, the market capitalization of the company is going to plummet and no individual or bank is going to give them a dime of credit to fund operations.