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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: March 10, 2013, 12:02:19 AM »
I'd say Capriles should skip this one. In 2018 memories of Chavez will have faded and with a pretty uncharismatic candidate like Maduro he would have a fair chance to win.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2013, 08:25:44 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on March 10, 2013, 07:54:56 PM
This will be a nasty, brutish and short campaign.

...which is exactly what Venezuela doesn't need now. With Chavez' death, one would have hoped tensions would start to appease...
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2013, 09:02:33 PM »
Sigh...
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2013, 09:33:49 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on March 10, 2013, 09:16:04 PM
because he concluded that hope n'change didn't work last time.

I wouldn't be so sure about that. It did work, but simply wasn't enough at the time, considering Chavez' popularity. Capriles still did better than all his predecessors who insisted on demonizing Chavez.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2013, 06:31:02 PM »
What the heck? Why would the CIA assassinate Capriles? Huh And why would Maduro warn about that? Huh
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2013, 06:14:03 PM »
That's hilarious... but actually not unbelievable, considering the chavists' tendency for silly statements of all sorts.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 02:31:31 AM »
Yeah, Venezuelan polls seem utterly worthless.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2013, 01:37:25 PM »
Demobilization on the Chavez side due to not having the Dear Leader anymore, or general demobilization because the result is already obvious?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2013, 09:00:29 PM »
Wow, I wasn't hoping for it to be so close. Let's hope the chavist clique doesn't manage to rig this.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2013, 09:09:36 PM »
Option B) would not surprise me at all... But of course it could really be that close.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2013, 09:13:33 PM »
Quote from: ag on April 14, 2013, 09:10:09 PM
Remember: last time it took them till about 10 PM. It is 9:40 in Caracas now.

Ah, the half-an-hour time zones. Tongue
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2013, 09:16:49 PM »
Quote from: ag on April 14, 2013, 09:15:41 PM
Quote from: Californian Tony on April 14, 2013, 09:13:33 PM
Quote from: ag on April 14, 2013, 09:10:09 PM
Remember: last time it took them till about 10 PM. It is 9:40 in Caracas now.

Ah, the half-an-hour time zones. Tongue

Well, this is the properly Bolivarian time Smiley

Down with Greenwich imperialism! Wink
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2013, 09:27:00 PM »
Quote from: Bacon King on April 14, 2013, 09:25:16 PM
Official results getting released within 10 minutes, according to some guy on twitter

*bites nails*
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2013, 09:38:02 PM »
So still nothing yet?
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2013, 10:24:35 PM »
If they are actually refusing to publish the results, it means they are clear enough that no tinkering was possible. Wow.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2013, 10:29:28 PM »
I don't think tinkering would take so much time, though. After all, all you have to do is uniformly take votes away from one candidate in each precinct and give them to the other.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2013, 10:41:00 PM »
Quote from: ag on April 14, 2013, 10:38:23 PM
Quote from: RogueBeaver on April 14, 2013, 10:36:36 PM
From AP: Capriles is meeting with military brass, ditto Interior Minister. We know what this means.

We will know, if he comes out of that meeting.

"In front of the military officers, Capriles expressed his dismay of having lost the election yet again, and suddenly committed suicide by shooting himself in the back 15 times."
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2013, 10:48:58 PM »
wat
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2013, 10:52:17 PM »
« Edited: April 14, 2013, 10:55:41 PM by Californian Tony »
Quote from: ag on April 14, 2013, 10:51:20 PM
Given how close this is, this may turn out nasty.

I sure hope Capriles doesn't go down without a fight.

Until today, Venezuela was a flawed democracy. Now it's officially become a sham democracy.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2013, 11:26:11 PM »
There were certainly irregularities in Florida, and I am fairly sure that with a proper counting of the ballots (and without the mass disenfranchisement that preceded the election) Gore would have won. Still, this doesn't even come close to pulling numbers out of their ass like the Chavists have blatantly done.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2013, 12:23:09 AM »
Shut up Tweed.
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Antonio the Sixth
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E: -7.87, S: -3.83

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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2013, 01:46:07 AM »
Don't try to make sense out of Tweed's posts, ag. There is none.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2013, 02:37:09 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on April 15, 2013, 01:43:15 PM
Capriles is calling on CNE not to certify and for national protests.

Good job. This just can't be accepted.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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Posts: 58,239
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2013, 09:25:19 PM »
What a travesty.
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Antonio the Sixth
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Posts: 58,239
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Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2013, 12:45:37 AM »
Quote from: MasterRegal on April 15, 2013, 11:05:40 PM
Capriles will be President of Venezuela...in 2018. He needs to remain the voice of the opposition, challenging Maduro. Essentially, run a 5-year campaign. Da Silva lost three times before he became a two-term President. He's still very young. Let Maduro and his cronies run Venezuela into the ground. Keep the voice of the opposition alive and he will be President.

Yeah, the only thing that is certain is that almost winning this boosted Capriles' stature as the opposition leader, and he will certainly have new chances to compete (provided Venezuela doesn't degenerate into a dictatorship-in-all-but-name, which unfortunately cannot be excluded at this point).
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