Trump approval ratings thread 1.2

[henster]

I think as long as the economy continues to hum along reluctant folks are just going to keep approving and tune everything out as typical DC stuff. What reason does his base have to turn on him at this point? Most of them think the Russia stuff is BS anyways, as long as they have a job or that SSI check they will remain complacent.

[American2020]

Donald Trump is in a very bad polling place
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/03/politics/trump-polling/index.html

How Low Can Trump Go?
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/11/donald_trump_is_even_more_unpopular_than_you_think.html

[Middle-aged Europe]

Gallup (November 2nd)

Approve 39% (+1)
Disapprove 57% (-1)

The indictments actually HELPED him???

Maybe it was the terrorist attack.

Do you think that is what the terrorists want?

Probably.

[President Johnson]

Gallup (November 2nd)

Approve 39% (+1)
Disapprove 57% (-1)

The indictments actually HELPED him???

Maybe it was the terrorist attack.

Do you think that is what the terrorists want?

Probably.

Likely. They want the US and the West to be as tough as possible at all muslims to recruite more terrorists. Their goal has always been to turn the whole western against the whole muslim world.

[Brittain33]

Rasmussen polled VA GOV race and found Trump with a 45/54 JA.

http://m.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2017/virginia/election_2017_virginia_governor

That is completely implausible given all the national poll results and where Virginia voted in 2016.

[Virginiá]

Gallup (November 3rd)

Approve 39% (nc)
Disapprove 56% (-1)

[pbrower2a]

Gallup (November 2nd)

Approve 39% (+1)
Disapprove 57% (-1)

The indictments actually HELPED him???

Maybe it was the terrorist attack.

Do you think that is what the terrorists want?

Vile and cynical as this regime is, I can almost predict that there will be staged events suggesting a terrorist threat or outright terrorism, just before the elections of next year and 2020. This regime has an agenda, basically mirror-image Marxism that endorses the horrors that Marx attributes to capitalism at its worst, to wit that 95% of the people must suffer for the gain, indulgence, and power of about 2% of the people.

I tremble as I think of what America has become in a mere ten months.

[American2020]

Ipsos

Approve: 35%
Disapprove: 61%

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/CP3_2/

[Brittain33]

WaPo/ABC (vs. Sept.)

Approve: 37% (-2) (strong: 25%)
Disapprove: 59% (+2) (strong: 50%)

He was at 36% approval in July, but this is a new high for disapproval. Needless to say, this is the worst result of any president in his first year in history.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/year-surprise-election-65-percent-trumps-achieved-poll/story?id=50907926

[Person Man]

WaPo/ABC (vs. Sept.)

Approve: 37% (-2) (strong: 25%)
Disapprove: 59% (+2) (strong: 50%)

He was at 36% approval in July, but this is a new high for disapproval. Needless to say, this is the worst result of any president in his first year in history.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/year-surprise-election-65-percent-trumps-achieved-poll/story?id=50907926

Because we are ruled by someone who needs his add kicked. If he wins again, a lot of people need an add whooping.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Gallup (November 2nd)

Approve 39% (+1)
Disapprove 57% (-1)

The indictments actually HELPED him???

Maybe it was the terrorist attack.

Do you think that is what the terrorists want?

Probably.

Likely. They want the US and the West to be as tough as possible at all muslims to recruite more terrorists. Their goal has always been to turn the whole western against the whole muslim world.

Didn't Bin Laden actually flat out say that at some point before he went underground? (Or into Pakistani custody, whichever.) And W gave it to him, and Trump is tripling down.

[Yank2133]

WaPo/ABC (vs. Sept.)

Approve: 37% (-2) (strong: 25%)
Disapprove: 59% (+2) (strong: 50%)

He was at 36% approval in July, but this is a new high for disapproval. Needless to say, this is the worst result of any president in his first year in history.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/year-surprise-election-65-percent-trumps-achieved-poll/story?id=50907926

I have said it before, but it is amazing how Trump's has such **** numbers with this economy. His first year in office should have been the easiest first year of any President since HW in 1988. A normal GOP president, even without passing anything, would be at 50-55% just based on the economy alone.

[GeorgiaModerate]

WaPo/ABC (vs. Sept.)

Approve: 37% (-2) (strong: 25%)
Disapprove: 59% (+2) (strong: 50%)

He was at 36% approval in July, but this is a new high for disapproval. Needless to say, this is the worst result of any president in his first year in history.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/year-surprise-election-65-percent-trumps-achieved-poll/story?id=50907926

Because we are ruled by someone who needs his add kicked. If he wins again, a lot of people need an add whooping.

Is add whooping something for mathochists?

[OneJ]

WaPo/ABC (vs. Sept.)

Approve: 37% (-2) (strong: 25%)
Disapprove: 59% (+2) (strong: 50%)

He was at 36% approval in July, but this is a new high for disapproval. Needless to say, this is the worst result of any president in his first year in history.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/year-surprise-election-65-percent-trumps-achieved-poll/story?id=50907926

Wow...strongly disapprove @ 50%. That's the highest I've seen yet.

[Virginiá]

Gallup (November 4th)

Approve 37% (-2)
Disapprove 57% (+1)

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Gallup (November 4th)

Approve 37% (-2)
Disapprove 57% (+1)

Good! Now things are headed back to America-like levels.

[pbrower2a]

The indictments actually HELPED him???

No I'd say it hurt him but only during the small time period where the news was completely dominated by it. It really does seem like Trump has hit his floor (35 - 38%), which may or may not be temporary. At this point the only thing that could allow it to stabilize at a number in the low 30s (or lower) might be time, in the sense that years go by and nothing gets done and his supporters continue to see no movement on issues Trump promised to solve, and/or passing very unpopular policies that even he can't defend.

I think the indictments definitely helped considering they had nothing to do with Trump or any actions done during the campaign.

Even if Trump support stabilizes in the high 30s, he is in deep trouble. His unpopularity is not due to some reversible bad luck such as military reverses that can themselves be reversed or an economic downturn that can come to an end with a solid recovery. He got elected with about the same level of support as Dukakis in 1988 or McCain in 2008, except  that those two lost. He has done nothing to win over support from people who did not vote for him. He inculcates fear and loathing. He is the butt of bad jokes like Gerald R. Ford -- except that the jokes about Ford were about clumsiness (now that we know about the football injuries, we understand the hooks and slices on the golf course and the stumbling incidents). Still, Ford had the reputation of a nice guy , as he never let the power get to his head. Ford came close to getting re-elected. John F. Kennedy, like Trump, also got elected by a narrow margin in the Electoral College -- but he started winning over people who voted for Nixon. It helped that he did not disparage his predecessor and his opponent. Donald Trump is as full of himself as any pathological narcissist, and that is not good for winning people over.

So when things are sort-of-OK, approval ratings for him are in the 30s. Obama was doing better when the economy was in a shaky recovery and the mess that he inherited from Dubya had no obvious exit. Maybe Obama is a far nicer person. Maybe it helps that he made gestures to the Other Side of the political debate.  Maybe it helps that he has a family life that fits in in the most conservative standards of 'family values'. Maybe it helps that the only scandal involving him is the contrived scandal about where he was born.

....The indictments might have some help among the circle-the-wagons crowd, but just remember: people do not commit perjury for the fun of it or for immediate gain. People perjure themselves to protect previous wrongdoing. This wrongdoing is not about having an affair or an illegitimate child (generally not a criminal  offense) or about some binge that occurred at a time in which the effects would no longer have consequences due to the statute of limitations.    

Paul Man-O'-Fraud is one nasty piece of work, someone who has aided dictatorial, corrupt regimes in oppressing their peoples.  He aided a dictator in looting his country.

If I had been in position to win the Presidency I would stay clear of someone like Manafort. I do not like being involved with crooks and liars. I recognize them for the harm that they can do both to my credibility (without which I could not even hold a job long) and people to whom I have responsibility as an elected official.

And just look at the "strongly disapprove" category. 50%.  That will make a mess of canvassing efforts in any re-election bid. At this point I look at the prospects for the re-election of President Trump, and all I can see is "must cheat to win". Now ask yourself what sort of America would it be if the President got re-elected with intimidation or rigged voting?

Teaching English in some Third World country would be far more attractive than ending up in a labor camp or a torture chamber.  

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Gallup (November 4th)

Approve 37% (-2)
Disapprove 57% (+1)

"The indictments actually HELPED him???"

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Love people ITT looking for meaning in the random walk of a daily tracking poll

[pbrower2a]

Love people ITT looking for meaning in the random walk of a daily tracking poll

I know enough to not do so except in the wake of an event,  and to not predict the effect of an event. I made an exception for the whacking of Osama bin Laden, but that is understandable.

"Random" implies the absence of obvious cause.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Gallup

Approve 37% (+-0)
Disapprove 57% (+-0)

[GeorgiaModerate]

CNN (change from last month)

Approve 36 (-1)  Strongly 25 (nc)
Disapprove 58 (+1)  Strongly 48 (+1)

[American2020]

The indictments actually HELPED him???

No I'd say it hurt him but only during the small time period where the news was completely dominated by it. It really does seem like Trump has hit his floor (35 - 38%), which may or may not be temporary. At this point the only thing that could allow it to stabilize at a number in the low 30s (or lower) might be time, in the sense that years go by and nothing gets done and his supporters continue to see no movement on issues Trump promised to solve, and/or passing very unpopular policies that even he can't defend.

I think the indictments definitely helped considering they had nothing to do with Trump or any actions done during the campaign.

Even if Trump support stabilizes in the high 30s, he is in deep trouble. His unpopularity is not due to some reversible bad luck such as military reverses that can themselves be reversed or an economic downturn that can come to an end with a solid recovery. He got elected with about the same level of support as Dukakis in 1988 or McCain in 2008, except  that those two lost. He has done nothing to win over support from people who did not vote for him. He inculcates fear and loathing. He is the butt of bad jokes like Gerald R. Ford -- except that the jokes about Ford were about clumsiness (now that we know about the football injuries, we understand the hooks and slices on the golf course and the stumbling incidents). Still, Ford had the reputation of a nice guy , as he never let the power get to his head. Ford came close to getting re-elected. John F. Kennedy, like Trump, also got elected by a narrow margin in the Electoral College -- but he started winning over people who voted for Nixon. It helped that he did not disparage his predecessor and his opponent. Donald Trump is as full of himself as any pathological narcissist, and that is not good for winning people over.

So when things are sort-of-OK, approval ratings for him are in the 30s. Obama was doing better when the economy was in a shaky recovery and the mess that he inherited from Dubya had no obvious exit. Maybe Obama is a far nicer person. Maybe it helps that he made gestures to the Other Side of the political debate.  Maybe it helps that he has a family life that fits in in the most conservative standards of 'family values'. Maybe it helps that the only scandal involving him is the contrived scandal about where he was born.

....The indictments might have some help among the circle-the-wagons crowd, but just remember: people do not commit perjury for the fun of it or for immediate gain. People perjure themselves to protect previous wrongdoing. This wrongdoing is not about having an affair or an illegitimate child (generally not a criminal  offense) or about some binge that occurred at a time in which the effects would no longer have consequences due to the statute of limitations.     

Paul Man-O'-Fraud is one nasty piece of work, someone who has aided dictatorial, corrupt regimes in oppressing their peoples.  He aided a dictator in looting his country.

If I had been in position to win the Presidency I would stay clear of someone like Manafort. I do not like being involved with crooks and liars. I recognize them for the harm that they can do both to my credibility (without which I could not even hold a job long) and people to whom I have responsibility as an elected official.

And just look at the "strongly disapprove" category. 50%.  That will make a mess of canvassing efforts in any re-election bid. At this point I look at the prospects for the re-election of President Trump, and all I can see is "must cheat to win". Now ask yourself what sort of America would it be if the President got re-elected with intimidation or rigged voting?

Teaching English in some Third World country would be far more attractive than ending up in a labor camp or a torture chamber. 

Furthermore he's losing support in the following places:

• Independents
• Non-college educated whites
• Non-whites

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/trump-approval/index.html

[GeorgiaModerate]

NBC/WSJ poll of 438 "Trump counties" that either flipped from D to R in 2016 or saw a significant surge to Trump.  Overall, he won these counties 57%-37%.

32% say the country is better off since Trump became President.  41% say it's worse off.

Trump's approval in these counties is 48/50.  In a similar poll in July, it was 50/46. 

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Other favorability ratings in these counties:

Barack Obama 48/37
Bernie Sanders 42/31
Hillary Clinton 23/60
Nancy Pelosi 16/44
Mitch McConnell 11/35

[BudgieForce]

NBC/WSJ poll of 438 "Trump counties" that either flipped from D to R in 2016 or saw a significant surge to Trump.  Overall, he won these counties 57%-37%.

32% say the country is better off since Trump became President.  41% say it's worse off.

Trump's approval in these counties is 48/50.  In a similar poll in July, it was 50/46. 

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Other favorability ratings in these counties:

Barack Obama 48/37
Bernie Sanders 42/31
http://Hillary Clinton 23/60
Nancy Pelosi 16/44
Mitch McConnell 11/35

That explains alot.