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« on: February 11, 2016, 01:56:47 PM »

Conservatism by definition can never die.  Every human society to ever exist has had its conservatives. Man, this forum is full of idiots lol
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2016, 02:18:02 PM »

Uh not really. Conservatism didn't exist until the French Revolution.

Uh yes really.  There have always been people who have sought to preserve the status quo.  Just because some fancy European didn't give it a name until the 18th century doesn't mean it hasn't been a thing.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2016, 02:27:38 PM »


"Preserving the status quo" is not conservatism. Reagan and Thatcher effected fundamental transformations of their societies.

Regardless, the point "there have always been temperamentally conservative individuals" is irrelevant to the question "is the conservative movement collapsing?".

lolk time to go back to your playpen dude
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2016, 02:33:44 PM »

The supposed values gap between Millennials and older generations is seriously overhyped.  There is a much smaller gap between Millennials and their parents than there were between the Baby Boomers and their parents.  The overwhelmingly explanatory reason for the partisan gap is race. 
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2016, 04:08:24 PM »

I suppose by that you mean party affiliation or ideological leanings? You're right that Millennial votes for Democrats are inflated by highly Democratic minorities, but the Millennial white vote is still more pro-Democratic than the older generation. In 2008, 54% of white Millennials voted for Obama, and in 2012, 44% of white Millennials did. That's a substantial increase over, say, the national white vote average in 2012 - 39%. It will be more than enough to sway a large number of elections when combined with the non-white vote. I also wouldn't consider 44% a ceiling, either, considering the recession was still hard on people in 2012 and as seen in 2008, they are far more open to voting Dem than older folks. So instead of a hard limit of 44% it could sway back and forth, which is not something the white vote does a lot at this time with people aged 40+.

http://www.people-press.org/2012/11/26/young-voters-supported-obama-less-but-may-have-mattered-more/

I'm talking about votes.  Party affiliation and "ideology" are generally unreliable.  And yes, white millennials have leaned a few points more Democratic over the past couple election than their parents, let's wait and see if that can hold up over the long run.
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