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« on: May 28, 2016, 02:59:02 PM »

Hillbots, you live in a fantasy world.

I don't really think he is wrong in that the traditional 'silent majority' is now a loud majority, and the new 'silent majority' voters are minority and poor(er) voters, who are also becoming loud-er thanks to Trump.
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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2016, 03:15:20 PM »

It's not really the "silent majority."  The protesters at Trump rallies will almost all vote for Hillary (and many of them are Hillary protesters).  You don't see Trump supporters crashing Hillary or Bernie Sanders rallies.

Which Democratic candidate is on stage calling Republicans rapists and criminals and threatening to deport millions of conservatives?

I'm not saying these violent protests are right, but a lot of the violence comes from random people who just show up and stir up trouble. They aren't just showing up because they have minor disagreements about policy. Trump has threatened to deport millions of their people, and that is troubling when over 50% of Hispanics know someone who is undocumented, which may include family and friends. Whether or not you think it's accurate or right, Trump comes off as a hateful bigot to many minorities and they perceive him as legitimately threatening their livelihoods.

So, just saying, there are actual, major reasons this is happening. Republicans have no equivalent reasons to protest like this.
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2016, 09:47:18 PM »
« Edited: May 28, 2016, 09:50:15 PM by Virginia »

Do we just throw out existing laws and rewrite immigration law to say, "If you make it here, you're here for keeps!"?  That's the de facto policy of the Democratic Party now; other than criminals, who would they deport?

I get the point of your post, and it's true at a factual level.  But your point suggests that it's OK to ignore laws, and to ask the government to ignore laws, just because enforcement will impact your lawbreaking friends and family.  That these folks may be angry and fearful and have more, personally, at stake in the immigration issue doesn't make it right that illegal immigrants are in the country and it certainly doesn't justify violence.  Ordinary Americans have to choose between family and law often; they can't just harbor a fugitive because he's a family member.  Trump is not wrong when he suggests that willful failure to enforce our immigration laws, laws which the American People's representatives have not repealed, is a surrendering of a part of America's sovereignty.  Trump asks, "Are we going to have a country?".  He's not wrong in asking the question.

1. Nope, of course not. I've posted numerous times here in support for increased border security, but I want us to give these people already here right now a path to citizenship so we can solve this gigantic problem once and for all. After that, we should have a secure border and policies in place to prevent another situation where we have millions and millions of undocumented immigrants residing stateside. I don't want to "ignore" laws, but deporting that many people is insane. Just let them stay and make sure this type of situation never happens again.

2. You're right about the Democratic party, this is something I've also posted about here before. Democrats have essentially given in to every wish Hispanic social organizations have in regards to immigration just for votes. My party has sold out immigration policy entirely to these activists and blown off the concerns of the rest of America. Hispanics are on track to constitute roughly 11% - 13% of the electorate this year (depending on turnout surge), and somehow the Democratic party decided that sliver of the electorate gets to decide my party's immigration policy just because my party decides votes are more important than anything, country be damned? Sure, I agree.

The funny thing is, I actually do want a pathway to citizenship, but now that's just not enough for some people.

3. I get that people want the law to be enforced, but this problem is simply too big. Too many folks look at this strictly in legal terms and think, "they broke the law, so punish/deport. end of story." It's not that simple! Deporting all those people would hurt our economy and sharply divide us socially after people watch for months families being torn apart by the military on live TV.

I don't want open borders like they want, but I also want all these current undocumented immigrants to be legalized and pay taxes and come out of the shadows. That's all. I want an end to this freakin issue already. Both sides are being too damn unreasonable.
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