2021 College Football Discussion and Pick'em Thread

[Never Made it to Graceland]

Assuming the Gator Bowl isn't outright canceled (I think it will be), I'll switch my pick to Wake Forest.

Why wouldn't you just wait until the theoretical matchup is announced?

[NewYorkExpress]

Assuming the Gator Bowl isn't outright canceled (I think it will be), I'll switch my pick to Wake Forest.

Why wouldn't you just wait until the theoretical matchup is announced?

Because the remaining available teams (unless they are switching from another bowl) are all 5-7 or worse, and thus Wake Forest should be better than them, however unmotivated they are.

[Podgy the Bear]

Now it looks probable that Miami, with multiple players with COVID, won't be playing in the Sun Bowl as well.

To inject politics into the Forum--as it is a political site--kind of ironic for the two big states leading the fight against doing the right thing on COVID and to have their schools sit out bowl games.  Great job, Governors Abbott and DeSantis!

[NewYorkExpress]

Assuming Miami (FL) does withdraw from the Sun Bowl, my new pick for that game (assuming it isn't canceled) is whichever team is chosen to face Washington State. I really don't trust the Cougars.

[7,052,770]

Looks like Rutgers is headed to the Gator. Not sure who would be in line to replace Miami, but there were multiple teams interested in replacing Texas A&M, so somebody will.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Honestly, I don't know how everyone else feels, but we should probably just leave the rematched games off, bowls are already kind of uncertain, but it would be a bit much

[GeorgiaModerate]

Honestly, I don't know how everyone else feels, but we should probably just leave the rematched games off, bowls are already kind of uncertain, but it would be a bit much

I'm inclined to agree with this.

[GeorgiaModerate]

There are reports that Hawaii is unable to play in the Hawaii Bowl tomorrow, so I guess Memphis just gets a nice Hawaiian vacation.

[7,052,770]

There are reports that Hawaii is unable to play in the Hawaii Bowl tomorrow, so I guess Memphis just gets a nice Hawaiian vacation.

What a joke. Reschedule the game for next week sometime and get Cal out there.

[Donerail]

Post-Christmas Bowls

Monday, December 27th
Quick Lane Bowl: Western Michigan vs Nevada
Military Bowl: Boston College vs East Carolina

Tuesday, December 28th
Birmingham Bowl: #20 Houston vs Auburn
First Responder Bowl: Air Force vs Louisville
Liberty Bowl: Mississippi State vs Texas Tech
Holiday Bowl: UCLA vs #18 NC State
Cactus Bowl: West Virginia vs Minnesota

Wednesday, December 29th
Fenway Bowl: SMU vs Virginia
Pinstripe Bowl: Maryland vs Virginia Tech
Tangerine Bowl: #19 Clemson vs Iowa State
Alamo Bowl: #14 Oregon vs #16 Oklahoma

Thursday, December 30th
Duke's Mayo Bowl: North Carolina vs South Carolina
Music City Bowl: Tennessee vs Purdue
Peach Bowl: #12 Pittsburgh vs #10 Michigan State
Las Vegas Bowl: Wisconsin vs Arizona State

Friday, December 31st
Gator Bowl: #17 Wake Forest vs Rutgers
Sun Bowl: Washington State vs Miami (FL)
Arizona Bowl: Central Michigan vs Boise State

Cotton Bowl: #4 Cincinnati vs #1 Alabama
Orange Bowl: #3 Georgia vs #2 Michigan

Saturday, January 1st
Outback Bowl: Penn State vs #21 Arkansas
Fiesta Bowl: #9 Oklahoma State vs #5 Notre Dame
Citrus Bowl: #15 Iowa vs #22 Kentucky
Rose Bowl: #11 Utah vs #6 Ohio State
Sugar Bowl: #7 Baylor vs #8 Ole Miss

Tuesday, January 4th
Texas Bowl: LSU vs Kansas State

[JGibson]

After Christmas bowls

Monday, December 27th

Quick Lane Bowl at Ford Field in Detroit, MI

Western Michigan vs Nevada 11 AM EST ESPN

Military Bowl at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium in Annapolis, MD

Boston College vs East Carolina 2:30 PM EST ESPN

Tuesday, December 28th

TicketSmarter Birmingham Bowl at Protective Stadium in Birmingham, AL

#20 Houston vs Auburn Noon EST ESPN

SERVPRO First Responder Bowl at Gerald J. Ford Stadium in Dallas, TX

Air Force vs Louisville 3:15 PM EST ESPN

AutoZone Liberty Bowl at Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in Memphis, TN

Mississippi State vs Texas Tech 6:45 PM EST ESPN

San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl at Petco Park in San Diego, CA

UCLA vs #18 NC State 8 PM EST FOX

Guaranteed Rate Bowl at Chase Field in Phoenix, AZ

West Virginia vs Minnesota 10:15 PM EST ESPN

Wednesday, December 29th

Wasabi Fenway Bowl at Fenway Park in Boston, MA

SMU vs Virginia 11 AM EST ESPN

New Era Pinstripe Bowl at Yankee Stadium in Bronx, NY

Maryland vs Virginia Tech 2:15 PM EST ESPN

Cheez-It Bowl at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, FL

#19 Clemson vs Iowa State 5:45 PM EST ESPN

Valero Alamo Bowl at Alamodome in San Antonio, TX

#14 Oregon vs #16 Oklahoma

Thursday, December 30th

Duke's Mayo Bowl at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, NC

North Carolina vs South Carolina 11:30 AM EST ESPN

TransPerfect Music City Bowl at Nissan Stadium in Nashville, TN

Tennessee vs Purdue 3 PM EST ESPN

Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, GA

#12 Pittsburgh vs #10 Michigan State 7 PM EST ESPN

SRS Distribution Las Vegas Bowl at Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, NV

Wisconsin vs Arizona State 10:30 PM EST ESPN

Friday, December 31st

TaxSlayer Gator Bowl at TIAA Bank Field in Jacksonville, FL

#17 Wake Forest vs #25 Texas A&M 11 AM EST ESPN

Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl at Sun Bowl in El Paso, TX

Washington State vs Miami (FL) Noon EST CBS

Barstool Sports Arizona Bowl at Arizona Stadium in Tuscon, AZ

Central Michigan vs Boise State 2 PM EST Barstool Network

CFP Semifinal at the Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, TX

#4 Cincinnati vs #1 Alabama 3:30 PM EST ESPN

CFP Semifinal at the Capital One Orange Bowl at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami, FL

#3 Georgia vs #2 Michigan 7:30 PM EST ESPN

Saturday, January 1st

Outback Bowl at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa Bay, FL

Penn State vs #21 Arkansas Noon EST ESPN2

PlayStation Fiesta Bowl at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, AZ

#9 Oklahoma State vs #5 Notre Dame 1 PM EST ESPN

Vrbo Citrus Bowl at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, FL

#15 Iowa vs #22 Kentucky 1 PM EST ABC

Rose Bowl Game at Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA

#11 Utah vs #6 Ohio State 5 PM EST ESPN

Allstate Sugar Bowl at Caesars Superdome in New Orleans, LA

#7 Baylor vs #8 Ole Miss 8:45 PM EST ESPN

Tuesday, January 4th

TaxAct Texas Bowl at NRG Stadium in Houston, TX

LSU vs Kansas State 9 PM EST ESPN

[GeorgiaModerate]

Scorekeeper's ruling: since the replacement team in the Gator Bowl was announced in plenty of time, and since everyone to pick so far has picked Wake Forest, I'm going to keep it in the list.  However, if any other bowls shuffle teams, those games will not be counted.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Western Michigan vs Nevada 11 AM EST ESPN
Boston College vs East Carolina 2:30 PM EST ESPN
#20 Houston vs Auburn Noon EST ESPN
Air Force vs Louisville 3:15 PM EST ESPN
Mississippi State vs Texas Tech 6:45 PM EST ESPN
UCLA vs #18 NC State 8 PM EST FOX
West Virginia vs Minnesota 10:15 PM EST ESPN
SMU vs Virginia 11 AM EST ESPN
Maryland vs Virginia Tech 2:15 PM EST ESPN
#19 Clemson vs Iowa State 5:45 PM EST ESPN
#14 Oregon vs #16 Oklahoma
North Carolina vs South Carolina 11:30 AM EST ESPN
Tennessee vs Purdue 3 PM EST ESPN
#12 Pittsburgh vs #10 Michigan State 7 PM EST ESPN
Wisconsin vs Arizona State 10:30 PM EST ESPN
#17 Wake Forest vs #25 Texas A&M Rutgers 11 AM EST ESPN
Washington State vs Miami (FL) Noon EST CBS
Central Michigan vs Boise State 2 PM EST Barstool Network
#4 Cincinnati vs #1 Alabama 3:30 PM EST ESPN
#3 Georgia vs #2 Michigan 7:30 PM EST ESPN
Penn State vs #21 Arkansas Noon EST ESPN2
#9 Oklahoma State vs #5 Notre Dame 1 PM EST ESPN
#15 Iowa vs #22 Kentucky 1 PM EST ABC
#11 Utah vs #6 Ohio State 5 PM EST ESPN
#7 Baylor vs #8 Ole Miss 8:45 PM EST ESPN
LSU vs Kansas State 9 PM EST ESPN

[Terry the Fat Shark]

After Christmas bowls


Monday, December 27th

Quick Lane Bowl at Ford Field in Detroit, MI

Western Michigan vs Nevada 11 AM EST ESPN

Military Bowl at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium in Annapolis, MD

Boston College vs East Carolina 2:30 PM EST ESPN

Tuesday, December 28th

TicketSmarter Birmingham Bowl at Protective Stadium in Birmingham, AL

#20 Houston vs Auburn Noon EST ESPN

SERVPRO First Responder Bowl at Gerald J. Ford Stadium in Dallas, TX

Air Force vs Louisville 3:15 PM EST ESPN

AutoZone Liberty Bowl at Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in Memphis, TN

Mississippi State vs Texas Tech 6:45 PM EST ESPN

San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl at Petco Park in San Diego, CA

UCLA vs #18 NC State 8 PM EST FOX

Guaranteed Rate Bowl at Chase Field in Phoenix, AZ

West Virginia vs Minnesota 10:15 PM EST ESPN

Wednesday, December 29th

Wasabi Fenway Bowl at Fenway Park in Boston, MA

SMU vs Virginia 11 AM EST ESPN

New Era Pinstripe Bowl at Yankee Stadium in Bronx, NY

Maryland vs Virginia Tech 2:15 PM EST ESPN

Cheez-It Bowl at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, FL

#19 Clemson vs Iowa State 5:45 PM EST ESPN

Valero Alamo Bowl at Alamodome in San Antonio, TX

#14 Oregon vs #16 Oklahoma

Thursday, December 30th

Duke's Mayo Bowl at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, NC

North Carolina vs South Carolina 11:30 AM EST ESPN

TransPerfect Music City Bowl at Nissan Stadium in Nashville, TN

Tennessee vs Purdue 3 PM EST ESPN

Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, GA

#12 Pittsburgh vs #10 Michigan State 7 PM EST ESPN

SRS Distribution Las Vegas Bowl at Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, NV

Wisconsin vs Arizona State 10:30 PM EST ESPN

Friday, December 31st

TaxSlayer Gator Bowl at TIAA Bank Field in Jacksonville, FL

#17 Wake Forest vs #25 Texas A&M 11 AM EST ESPN

Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl at Sun Bowl in El Paso, TX

Washington State vs Miami (FL) Noon EST CBS

Barstool Sports Arizona Bowl at Arizona Stadium in Tuscon, AZ

Central Michigan vs Boise State 2 PM EST Barstool Network

CFP Semifinal at the Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, TX

#4 Cincinnati vs #1 Alabama 3:30 PM EST ESPN

CFP Semifinal at the Capital One Orange Bowl at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami, FL

#3 Georgia vs #2 Michigan 7:30 PM EST ESPN

Saturday, January 1st

Outback Bowl at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa Bay, FL

Penn State vs #21 Arkansas Noon EST ESPN2

PlayStation Fiesta Bowl at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, AZ

#9 Oklahoma State vs #5 Notre Dame 1 PM EST ESPN

Vrbo Citrus Bowl at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, FL

#15 Iowa vs #22 Kentucky 1 PM EST ABC

Rose Bowl Game at Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA

#11 Utah vs #6 Ohio State 5 PM EST ESPN

Allstate Sugar Bowl at Caesars Superdome in New Orleans, LA

#7 Baylor vs #8 Ole Miss 8:45 PM EST ESPN

Tuesday, January 4th

TaxAct Texas Bowl at NRG Stadium in Houston, TX

LSU vs Kansas State 9 PM EST ESPN

[GeorgiaModerate]

Well, my upset pick of Ball State is not looking too good right now.

[GeorgiaModerate]

PRE-CHRISTMAS BOWL RESULTS

One game (the Hawaii Bowl) was canceled, leaving us with 15.  JGibson took first place with 11-4, followed by a trio at 10-5.  Full results:

11 JGibson
10 Dereich, Donerail, NYE
9 Terry
8 GeorgiaModerate
7 Illiniwek
1 ExtremeRepublican (only picked the first couple of games)

There were two unanimous picks:

Freson State-UTEP
BYU-UAB (wrong)

And six games with a single dissenter:

Coastal Carolina-Northern Illinois
Appalachian State-Western Kentucky (dissenter was right)
Liberty-Eastern Michigan
Louisiana-Marshall
Wyoming-Kent State
Georgia State-Ball State

Overall, Donerail still leads by four games over NYE as we head into the home stretch.  Year to date (351 games):

222 Donerail
218 NYE
217 Dereich
216 GeorgiaModerate
212 Terry
201 ExtremeRepublican
196 Illiniwek
192 JGibson
92 Dingo Joe
24 Orwell

[GeorgiaModerate]

I've seen some reports that the Fenway Bowl (SMU-Virginia) and Military Bowl (Boston College-East Carolina) have been canceled due to COVID issues at UVA and BC.  However, ESPN's schedule doesn't show the cancellations yet, so stay tuned for further developments.

EDIT: The cancellations have been confirmed.

[Dereich]

Without going through to figure out which are cancelled:

Monday, December 27th

Quick Lane Bowl at Ford Field in Detroit, MI

Western Michigan vs Nevada 11 AM EST ESPN

Military Bowl at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium in Annapolis, MD

Boston College vs East Carolina 2:30 PM EST ESPN

Tuesday, December 28th

TicketSmarter Birmingham Bowl at Protective Stadium in Birmingham, AL

#20 Houston vs Auburn Noon EST ESPN

SERVPRO First Responder Bowl at Gerald J. Ford Stadium in Dallas, TX

Air Force vs Louisville 3:15 PM EST ESPN

AutoZone Liberty Bowl at Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in Memphis, TN

Mississippi State vs Texas Tech 6:45 PM EST ESPN

San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl at Petco Park in San Diego, CA

UCLA vs #18 NC State 8 PM EST FOX

Guaranteed Rate Bowl at Chase Field in Phoenix, AZ

West Virginia vs Minnesota 10:15 PM EST ESPN

Wednesday, December 29th

Wasabi Fenway Bowl at Fenway Park in Boston, MA

SMU vs Virginia 11 AM EST ESPN

New Era Pinstripe Bowl at Yankee Stadium in Bronx, NY

Maryland vs Virginia Tech 2:15 PM EST ESPN

Cheez-It Bowl at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, FL

#19 Clemson vs Iowa State 5:45 PM EST ESPN

Valero Alamo Bowl at Alamodome in San Antonio, TX

#14 Oregon vs #16 Oklahoma

Thursday, December 30th

Duke's Mayo Bowl at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, NC

North Carolina vs South Carolina 11:30 AM EST ESPN

TransPerfect Music City Bowl at Nissan Stadium in Nashville, TN

Tennessee vs Purdue 3 PM EST ESPN

Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, GA

#12 Pittsburgh vs #10 Michigan State 7 PM EST ESPN

SRS Distribution Las Vegas Bowl at Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, NV

Wisconsin vs Arizona State 10:30 PM EST ESPN

Friday, December 31st

TaxSlayer Gator Bowl at TIAA Bank Field in Jacksonville, FL

#17 Wake Forest vs Rutgers 11 AM EST ESPN

Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl at Sun Bowl in El Paso, TX

Washington State vs Miami (FL) Noon EST CBS

Barstool Sports Arizona Bowl at Arizona Stadium in Tuscon, AZ

Central Michigan vs Boise State 2 PM EST Barstool Network

CFP Semifinal at the Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, TX

#4 Cincinnati vs #1 Alabama 3:30 PM EST ESPN

CFP Semifinal at the Capital One Orange Bowl at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami, FL

#3 Georgia vs #2 Michigan 7:30 PM EST ESPN I've got no good reason to assume Michigan wins; I think they're a bad matchup for Georgia. But I'm going with what I want to see happen here and who knows, Kirby is a bad enough gameday coach to lose.

Saturday, January 1st

Outback Bowl at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa Bay, FL

Penn State vs #21 Arkansas Noon EST ESPN2

PlayStation Fiesta Bowl at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, AZ

#9 Oklahoma State vs #5 Notre Dame 1 PM EST ESPN

Vrbo Citrus Bowl at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, FL

#15 Iowa vs #22 Kentucky 1 PM EST ABC

Rose Bowl Game at Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA

#11 Utah vs #6 Ohio State 5 PM EST ESPN

Allstate Sugar Bowl at Caesars Superdome in New Orleans, LA

#7 Baylor vs #8 Ole Miss 8:45 PM EST ESPN

Tuesday, January 4th

TaxAct Texas Bowl at NRG Stadium in Houston, TX

LSU vs Kansas State 9 PM EST ESPN

[7,052,770]

This is getting ridiculous. Schools are using COVID as an smokescreen for "we've had a lot of transfers and opt-outs and just don't want to pay to play in this bowl."

Remember when Mississippi State look 43 players over to Athens to play Georgia in 2020? All 4 canceling bowl teams have had more than 43 available. It's doable if a program wants to do it. They just don't because nobody cares about the bowls anymore.

It's time to seriously consider revamping the college football postseason, because this bowl system that bleeds schools dry to line its own pockets isn't sustainable if no one cares.

[NewYorkExpress]

This is getting ridiculous. Schools are using COVID as an smokescreen for "we've had a lot of transfers and opt-outs and just don't want to pay to play in this bowl."

Remember when Mississippi State look 43 players over to Athens to play Georgia in 2020? All 4 canceling bowl teams have had more than 43 available. It's doable if a program wants to do it. They just don't because nobody cares about the bowls anymore.

It's time to seriously consider revamping the college football postseason, because this bowl system that bleeds schools dry to line its own pockets isn't sustainable if no one cares.

Agreed.

Either a four or eight team playoff (with no other bowls), or just have no postseason at all, and let the polls decide the champion.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Miami is officially out of the Sun Bowl.  The game is scratched from the pick'em even if they find a replacement, as discussed earlier.

[7,052,770]

Miami is officially out of the Sun Bowl.  The game is scratched from the pick'em even if they find a replacement, as discussed earlier.

This is getting ridiculous. How many regular season games were delayed or canceled due to COVID? Just USC/Cal? It's the opt-outs and transfer portals, plus general apathy toward bowls, driving this.

[Donerail]

It's like there's a new, highly transmissible variant or something. Very weird.

[7,052,770]

It's like there's a new, highly transmissible variant or something. Very weird.

Delta peaked during college football season.

[Illiniwek]

After Christmas bowls


Monday, December 27th

Quick Lane Bowl at Ford Field in Detroit, MI

Western Michigan vs Nevada 11 AM EST ESPN

Military Bowl at Navy-Marine Corps Memorial Stadium in Annapolis, MD

Boston College vs East Carolina 2:30 PM EST ESPN

Tuesday, December 28th

TicketSmarter Birmingham Bowl at Protective Stadium in Birmingham, AL

#20 Houston vs Auburn Noon EST ESPN

SERVPRO First Responder Bowl at Gerald J. Ford Stadium in Dallas, TX

Air Force vs Louisville 3:15 PM EST ESPN

AutoZone Liberty Bowl at Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium in Memphis, TN

Mississippi State vs Texas Tech 6:45 PM EST ESPN

San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl at Petco Park in San Diego, CA

UCLA vs #18 NC State 8 PM EST FOX

Guaranteed Rate Bowl at Chase Field in Phoenix, AZ

West Virginia vs Minnesota 10:15 PM EST ESPN

Wednesday, December 29th

Wasabi Fenway Bowl at Fenway Park in Boston, MA

SMU vs Virginia 11 AM EST ESPN

New Era Pinstripe Bowl at Yankee Stadium in Bronx, NY

Maryland vs Virginia Tech 2:15 PM EST ESPN

Cheez-It Bowl at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, FL

#19 Clemson vs Iowa State 5:45 PM EST ESPN

Valero Alamo Bowl at Alamodome in San Antonio, TX

#14 Oregon vs #16 Oklahoma

Thursday, December 30th

Duke's Mayo Bowl at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte, NC

North Carolina vs South Carolina 11:30 AM EST ESPN

TransPerfect Music City Bowl at Nissan Stadium in Nashville, TN

Tennessee vs Purdue 3 PM EST ESPN

Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl at Mercedes-Benz Stadium in Atlanta, GA

#12 Pittsburgh vs #10 Michigan State 7 PM EST ESPN

SRS Distribution Las Vegas Bowl at Allegiant Stadium in Las Vegas, NV

Wisconsin vs Arizona State 10:30 PM EST ESPN

Friday, December 31st

TaxSlayer Gator Bowl at TIAA Bank Field in Jacksonville, FL

#17 Wake Forest vs Rutgers 11 AM EST ESPN

Tony the Tiger Sun Bowl at Sun Bowl in El Paso, TX

Washington State vs Miami (FL) Noon EST CBS

Barstool Sports Arizona Bowl at Arizona Stadium in Tuscon, AZ

Central Michigan vs Boise State 2 PM EST Barstool Network

CFP Semifinal at the Goodyear Cotton Bowl Classic at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, TX

#4 Cincinnati vs #1 Alabama 3:30 PM EST ESPN

CFP Semifinal at the Capital One Orange Bowl at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami, FL

#3 Georgia vs #2 Michigan 7:30 PM EST ESPN

Saturday, January 1st

Outback Bowl at Raymond James Stadium in Tampa Bay, FL

Penn State vs #21 Arkansas Noon EST ESPN2

PlayStation Fiesta Bowl at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, AZ

#9 Oklahoma State vs #5 Notre Dame 1 PM EST ESPN

Vrbo Citrus Bowl at Camping World Stadium in Orlando, FL

#15 Iowa vs #22 Kentucky 1 PM EST ABC

Rose Bowl Game at Rose Bowl in Pasadena, CA

#11 Utah vs #6 Ohio State 5 PM EST ESPN

Allstate Sugar Bowl at Caesars Superdome in New Orleans, LA

#7 Baylor vs #8 Ole Miss 8:45 PM EST ESPN

Tuesday, January 4th

TaxAct Texas Bowl at NRG Stadium in Houston, TX

LSU vs Kansas State 9 PM EST ESPN