January 6th legal proceedings and investigations megathread

[BG-NY]

Grumps?

Fuzzy Bear?

Where y'all at?

All pro-1/6 posts are being deleted by a certain mod.

Imagine being pro January 6th..

I support BLM and 1/6. I think law enforcement is racist and classist arms of the corrupt establishment.

[LBJer]

Do you rubes not realize that you couldn't reach the steering wheel of a limo from the back seat if your life depends on if?

It was actually the presidential SUV in this case, not the limo.  But the solution here is simple.  Hutchinson testified she heard it from Oranto(sp?) in Engel's presence.  Bring them both in to testify under oath; they'll either corroborate it or not.

But if their testimony conflicts with what they told the committee before, it could be a classic case of witness tampering. 

[emailking]

I was pro January 6 before Trump turned it into a coup attempt. I would always watch the proceedings.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/trump-plans-to-live-at-mar-a-lago-and-employ-some-current-aides?srnd=premium

Yeah she hated Trump.

[Badger]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/trump-plans-to-live-at-mar-a-lago-and-employ-some-current-aides?srnd=premium

Yeah she hated Trump.

So just come out and say it Grumps. Are you saying she perjured herself? Any particular reason or......?

[Inmate Trump]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/trump-plans-to-live-at-mar-a-lago-and-employ-some-current-aides?srnd=premium

Yeah she hated Trump.

So just come out and say it Grumps. Are you saying she perjured herself? Any particular reason or......?

I say it again: Trump could abort a baby in live television and the cult would still support him.

[AncestralDemocrat.]

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1541938642918178819?t=sZOfH9FriiFxLsxshmaXD...

[Matty]

This sucks because this stupid dust up is going to hurt the credibility of the whole 1/6 committee

Now the trump people have ammo they will use to cast a cloud over whole hearing

This witness has a lot of explaining to do now that people are coming out saying she is wrong

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Okay. Is Mark Meadows gonna testify that Trump didn’t say that stuff about Pence and the rioters?

[7,052,770]

I can't imagine the Committee would have let her say that if they didn't corroborate the story with someone else, namely the secret service agents who have already testified. Something doesn't add up here, and somebody in this story may be lying on purpose to make fools out of the Committee.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/trump-plans-to-live-at-mar-a-lago-and-employ-some-current-aides?srnd=premium

Yeah she hated Trump.

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1541938642918178819?t=sZOfH9FriiFxLsxshmaXD...

Tony Ornato is a Trumper

https://twitter.com/jamisonfoser/status/1541947089977913344?s=20&t=t950fmcZF...

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

The Secret Service will refute her testimony.  #Liar

[7,052,770]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/trump-plans-to-live-at-mar-a-lago-and-employ-some-current-aides?srnd=premium

Yeah she hated Trump.

Did you post the wrong link? Nothing in the article indicates any feeling either way from her, other than she probably liked him alright if she was willing to keep working for him after his term ended.

[emailking]

Also posted it twice.

[LAB-LIB]

Mike Stenger, the Senate Sergeant-At-Arms who was fired the day after January 6th, died yesterday. His death probably wasn't related to January 6th but I'm sure there will be plenty of conspiracy theories, considering the fact that this happened the day before this hearing.

[LBJer]

I can't imagine the Committee would have let her say that if they didn't corroborate the story with someone else, namely the secret service agents who have already testified. Something doesn't add up here, and somebody in this story may be lying on purpose to make fools out of the Committee.

Yeah, the committee aren't idiots.  They understand the gravity of what they're doing.  Are we really to believe they somehow forgot to discuss this issue with the agents themselves?  Ridiculous.  And if Engel and Ornato are really changing their story about this now--either because of intimidation, or loyalty to Trump, or both--their new version isn't credible. 

[emailking]

They probably embellished when they told her and she further embellished it in her mind over the last 1.5 years. I doubt anybody is lying.

[LBJer]

They probably embellished when they told her and she further embellished it in her mind over the last 1.5 years. I doubt anybody is lying.

I think this "source" is part of a Trump disinformation campaign.

[LBJer]

They probably embellished when they told her and she further embellished it in her mind over the last 1.5 years. I doubt anybody is lying.

Not buying that--the committee would have seen the differences in the accounts and not put her on if the agents were saying something significantly different. 

[LBJer]

Interesting:

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1541955418292998147?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[emailking]

I'm not assuming they talked with them about this specific issue since she might have just told the committee about it recently. I don't understand Tapper's tweets.

[LBJer]

I'm not assuming they talked with them about this specific issue since she might have just told the committee about it recently. I don't understand Tapper's tweets.

They would never have her testify about something this important knowing that someone else might contradict it in the future.  And by "contradict it" I mean under oath.  Saying things to the media means nothing--Giuliani, Powell etc. didn't tell judges the lies about fraud they told the media because, unlikely lying to the media, lying to a judge or in testimony given under oath can have serious consequences.  

Tapper's point seems to be that Alyssa Farah, former Trump White House Communications Director, says that Ornato lied to the media about something else in the past. 

And then there's this:

https://twitter.com/FordJohnathan5/status/1541931217741905922

[Badger]

Can we all agree this is a moot point until we actually hear the testimony of the agents?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Can we all agree this is a moot point until we actually hear the testimony of the agents?

The Trumpists won't. FUD is their lifeblood.

Unless we do hear the agents testimony directly, the right will be repeating increasingly exaggerated versions of this  ("All her testimony was second-hand and denied by multiple secret service agents under oath!") until their dying days. If if we do get first hand testimony confirming it, they'll just slide over to a different alternate reality.

(And if they ever do abandon Trump and move in the direction of becoming good faith members of society - unlikely, I know - they will use the same self-deluding skills to pretend they were never really Trump supporters in the first place.)