The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

[Horus]

The only conspiracy theories are white privilege and systemic racism.

[Geoffrey Howe]

How can you vote 100 % of the time with Nancy Pelosi [...] and not be a socialist?

You edited part of that out quite disingenuously, you know.

[Pheurton Skeurto]

How can you vote 100 % of the time with Nancy Pelosi [...] and not be a socialist?

You edited part of that out quite disingenuously, you know.

Nothing about including the part about the Squad makes the post any less absurd. The point is still that "Nancy Pelosi is a socialist" which is so detached from reality that nothing else could modify its absurdity. There's even an argument to be made that voting in line with the Squad doesn't necessarily make one a socialist.

[Geoffrey Howe]

How can you vote 100 % of the time with Nancy Pelosi [...] and not be a socialist?

You edited part of that out quite disingenuously, you know.

Nothing about including the part about the Squad makes the post any less absurd. The point is still that "Nancy Pelosi is a socialist" which is so detached from reality that nothing else could modify its absurdity. There's even an argument to be made that voting in line with the Squad doesn't necessarily make one a socialist.

Then there was no reason to exclude it except to make the poster seem idiotic.
Now I don’t really think “the Squad” is socialist, but IIRC they go about calling themselves socialist, so I suppose it’s stooping to their level.

[Geoffrey Howe]

How can you vote 100 % of the time with Nancy Pelosi [...] and not be a socialist?

You edited part of that out quite disingenuously, you know.

How is the full sentence any less ridiculous?

How can you vote 100 % of the time with Nancy Pelosi and 94 % of the time with the Squad (including 95 % with Ayanna Pressley) and not be a socialist? That kind of record shows how close it is to socialism.

These are the words of someone whose use of ideological labels has lost touch with reality. R2D2's only mistake was failing to post this in the Comedy Goldmine.

Why did he edit out the bit about the Squad?  This post is obviously quite idiotic, and there’s no need to remove what seems to me the key part of the sentence. As I said above, as far as I am aware, the people in the Squad call themselves socialists, so it’s only really stooping to their level. I’m not arguing the post shouldn’t be here!

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Depends on how you define conservatism.  I view abortion as such a grave moral issue that its abolition is far more important than a democratic form of government, if one had to choose between the two. I would rather live in a monarchy where abortion was outlawed, provided Christians had religious freedom, than a democracy where it wasn't.

Just Christians?

I believe Christianity is the truth (and think there is strong evidence for such, moreso than other religions, but that is another topic) and for a government to persecute people for following the truth is even more evil than abortion, in my view (plus I was talking about where I would prefer to live, and obviously I wouldn't want to be in a place actively persecuting Christians).  That being said, I also strongly believe in freedom of religion for everyone, but I think abortion is so evil that persecution of religious minorities that falls short of killing is still less evil than abortion. 

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

I mean I'd rather be sentenced to 24 years of George W Bush with a Republican supermajority than Donald Trump.  To be perfectly clear.

[Never Made it to Graceland]

I mean I'd rather be sentenced to 24 years of George W Bush with a Republican supermajority than Donald Trump.  To be perfectly clear.

Not particularly absurd to hear from a Republican.

[S019]

He should have the right to refuse service to anyone.

See thread for context, also it might be time for a rename

[John Dule]

He should have the right to refuse service to anyone.

See thread for context, also it might be time for a rename

The Boy Who Cried "Rename the Ignorant Post Thread"

[S019]

Massive HP

How could you slander the founder of the Democratic Party like that?

Click thread for context

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

LA county swung right by 5 points likely due to their large Asian and Latinx population shifting right. White voters in California shifted more left from 2016 and it balanced out almost evenly.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

LA county swung right by 5 points likely due to their large Asian and Latinx population shifting right. White voters in California shifted more left from 2016 and it balanced out almost evenly.

> Latinx

[Battista Minola 1616]

Decent Catholics should stage a walkout during Communion on Sunday and show these sicko loser bishops how out of line they are.

Please stop telling other people how to practice their religion.

Um, is there anyone on the whole forum better established to be Catholic than me?

ETA: ok, Nathan. But I'm #2 surely.

The sheer entitledness of this is quite something.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Ben is perhaps the most brilliant political theorist since John Stuart Mill, but he does occasionally fart out an idiotic take

I wish there were downvotes just to see the ratio on this

[Donerail]

I do love how everytime someone wants to lecture me on the simple folkways of the interior where they don't need your big city wages because everything costs a nickle it's a California or Washington Av.

Please excuse us, our brains are broken by the housing market. I have lived here for less than a year and already endured severe psychic damage.

[parochial boy]

LA county swung right by 5 points likely due to their large Asian and Latinx population shifting right. White voters in California shifted more left from 2016 and it balanced out almost evenly.

> Latinx

I'm always a bit bemused by the way that a huge majority of even left wing posters on here are so freaked out by that term.

I'm torn between thinking this is more a sheer obstinate refusal to even try and understand the sorts of issues that are  significant outside of the English speaking world (which works the other way round too - see the "how would Belgium vote if it was a US state" type threads, where people try to calque US issues onto a context where they aren't especially relevant); or that it is simply down to the US being much more conservative on issues related to gender and LGBT equality. Nevertheless, it's remarkably different to how I see the issue being discussed by left wingers in French or German.

[Donerail]

> Latinx

I'm always a bit bemused by the way that a huge majority of even left wing posters on here are so freaked out by that term.

I'm torn between thinking this is more a sheer obstinate refusal to even try and understand the sorts of issues that are  significant outside of the English speaking world (which works the other way round too - see the "how would Belgium vote if it was a US state" type threads, where people try to calque US issues onto a context where they aren't especially relevant); or that it is simply down to the US being much more conservative on issues related to gender and LGBT equality. Nevertheless, it's remarkably different to how I see the issue being discussed by left wingers in French or German.

Outside the English-speaking world? Latinx is an English word near exclusively used by English speakers. Much less common to see it in Spanish-speaking communities.

[lfromnj]

LA county swung right by 5 points likely due to their large Asian and Latinx population shifting right. White voters in California shifted more left from 2016 and it balanced out almost evenly.

> Latinx

I'm always a bit bemused by the way that a huge majority of even left wing posters on here are so freaked out by that term.

I'm torn between thinking this is more a sheer obstinate refusal to even try and understand the sorts of issues that are  significant outside of the English speaking world (which works the other way round too - see the "how would Belgium vote if it was a US state" type threads, where people try to calque US issues onto a context where they aren't especially relevant); or that it is simply down to the US being much more conservative on issues related to gender and LGBT equality. Nevertheless, it's remarkably different to how I see the issue being discussed by left wingers in French or German.

France literally banned neutral language in schools. Meanwhile in America plenty of idiot local institutions  who throw money towards DEI consultants will use the term Latinx in official messaging.  The idea that this is a purely American or Anglophone issue is absurd.  It started in America but unfortunately one of our main exports is wokism.

[parochial boy]

I mean, yes, the response to my post that gender neutral language is an apparently exclusively American concern (?!) rather seems to back up the point I was making

France literally banned neutral language in schools. Meanwhile in America plenty of idiot local institutions  who throw money towards DEI consultants will use the term Latinx in official messaging.  The idea that this is a purely American or Anglophone issue is absurd.  It started in America but unfortunately one of our main exports is wokism.

It was banned a culturally reactionary government responding to what is a mainstream political debate far beyond what "Latinx" is in the USA. As in, the push to use gender neutral language in France goes far beyond academia and twitter (and fwiw the Swiss government and schools use gender neutral language in both French and German, and this isn't a country known for its progressive outlook on these sorts of isses). The point is the handful of remaning French left-wingers have a very, very different perception on gender neutral language to the imediate dismissal that it gets from left wingers on here.

Discussions about "écriture inclusive" in French or the "gendering" in German have been a topic of debate for essentially my entire life (as mentioned above, the Swiss government adopted in its official communications in the year 2000, long before "wokeness" was even a twinkle in any generation Z left winger's eye) - I can assure you that this is not an American "woke" export. The US debate is actually much more recent, if anything imported from abroad, in particular because English doesn't even have grammatical genders like others do.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

LA county swung right by 5 points likely due to their large Asian and Latinx population shifting right. White voters in California shifted more left from 2016 and it balanced out almost evenly.

> Latinx

I'm always a bit bemused by the way that a huge majority of even left wing posters on here are so freaked out by that term.

I'm torn between thinking this is more a sheer obstinate refusal to even try and understand the sorts of issues that are  significant outside of the English speaking world (which works the other way round too - see the "how would Belgium vote if it was a US state" type threads, where people try to calque US issues onto a context where they aren't especially relevant); or that it is simply down to the US being much more conservative on issues related to gender and LGBT equality. Nevertheless, it's remarkably different to how I see the issue being discussed by left wingers in French or German.

This isn't really true though. The US got same-sex marriage before a ton of European countries including yours that doesn't even have it yet (though that'll almost certainly change in the fall.)

[Never Made it to Graceland]

LA county swung right by 5 points likely due to their large Asian and Latinx population shifting right. White voters in California shifted more left from 2016 and it balanced out almost evenly.

> Latinx

I'm always a bit bemused by the way that a huge majority of even left wing posters on here are so freaked out by that term.

I'm torn between thinking this is more a sheer obstinate refusal to even try and understand the sorts of issues that are  significant outside of the English speaking world (which works the other way round too - see the "how would Belgium vote if it was a US state" type threads, where people try to calque US issues onto a context where they aren't especially relevant); or that it is simply down to the US being much more conservative on issues related to gender and LGBT equality. Nevertheless, it's remarkably different to how I see the issue being discussed by left wingers in French or German.

This isn't really true though. The US got same-sex marriage before a ton of European countries including yours that doesn't even have it yet (though that'll almost certainly change in the fall.)

Not because of changing attitudes, though. America was still deeply divided on the issue when Anthony Koch-ennedy decided he wanted a legacy other than his lifetime of gift-wrapped corporate decisions before he retired to hand an appointment over to Trump.   

[If my soul was made of stone]

LA county swung right by 5 points likely due to their large Asian and Latinx population shifting right. White voters in California shifted more left from 2016 and it balanced out almost evenly.

> Latinx

I'm always a bit bemused by the way that a huge majority of even left wing posters on here are so freaked out by that term.

I'm torn between thinking this is more a sheer obstinate refusal to even try and understand the sorts of issues that are  significant outside of the English speaking world (which works the other way round too - see the "how would Belgium vote if it was a US state" type threads, where people try to calque US issues onto a context where they aren't especially relevant); or that it is simply down to the US being much more conservative on issues related to gender and LGBT equality. Nevertheless, it's remarkably different to how I see the issue being discussed by left wingers in French or German.

This isn't really true though. The US got same-sex marriage before a ton of European countries including yours that doesn't even have it yet (though that'll almost certainly change in the fall.)

Same-sex marriage in this country largely came about through court rulings rather than legislation, however, which wasn't necessarily an intention of those who appointed those judges and thus implies a weaker foundation in the popular will. Public opinion on same-sex marriage largely changed in response to its legalization, as opposed to leading the efforts towards it, and support for other LGBT rights causes, especially those related to the "T" in the equation, has remained tepid. On the other end of the spectrum you have Japan, where public support for SSM has steadily increased in spite of the government sitting on its hands about it.

[parochial boy]

LA county swung right by 5 points likely due to their large Asian and Latinx population shifting right. White voters in California shifted more left from 2016 and it balanced out almost evenly.

> Latinx

I'm always a bit bemused by the way that a huge majority of even left wing posters on here are so freaked out by that term.

I'm torn between thinking this is more a sheer obstinate refusal to even try and understand the sorts of issues that are  significant outside of the English speaking world (which works the other way round too - see the "how would Belgium vote if it was a US state" type threads, where people try to calque US issues onto a context where they aren't especially relevant); or that it is simply down to the US being much more conservative on issues related to gender and LGBT equality. Nevertheless, it's remarkably different to how I see the issue being discussed by left wingers in French or German.

This isn't really true though. The US got same-sex marriage before a ton of European countries including yours that doesn't even have it yet (though that'll almost certainly change in the fall.)

Polls much higher support here than in the USA (~80% in favour here, which is about normal for W Europe), whereas there was a thread on here celebrating 70% support in the USA just a couple of weeks ago. Or, more to the point, it will be legal here by the end of the year, the reason is an extremely slow political process, and at least we'll have introduced it democratically. There are also some concrete areas where we are even ahead - eg anti discrimination and hate speech laws or conversion therapy being illegal; and of course, no bizarre hate campaigns against transpeople's right to use the toilet or access medical treatment.

[Donerail]

I mean, yes, the response to my post that gender neutral language is an apparently exclusively American concern (?!) rather seems to back up the point I was making

No one is making that claim. The point is that this specific word is a very clunky attempt to de-gender the word “Latino” in English that doesn’t really make any sense in Spanish or Portuguese, and as a consequence is rarely used outside of academic/professional or activist spheres in the US. There’s a reason many in Latin America prefer the neutral “Latine” instead (in part because it’s a word that you can actually pronounce out loud).

That raises a whole host of issues besides gender (“linguistic colonialism” is a phrase I’ve seen thrown around). There's something very uncomfortable about using an English pronunciation, adopted in the US and largely used by Anglos, to refer to a US minority group that the minority group does not actually use to describe themselves (something like ~3% of US Hispanics identify with the term). On this forum, in a political context, I think it’s gotten particular attention as an easy example of the disconnect between the largely-Anglo intelligentsia that steer the ideological and cultural direction of American liberalism and the voters they rely on to hold political power.