at what would you put Al Franken's current chances of victory?

[perdedor]

I'm beginning to think this "recount" is bullsh**t.  Something here is very suspicious.

Of course you think it's bullsh!t, it's boding ill for the candidate you support. If Franken is leading when it starts, you'll be in full favor of it.

[© tweed]

I wonder if Mark Ritchie will call up the Reservation leaders and ask if they can chip in and "find" an extra dozen votes here and there.

So you believe that Coleman won but dislike him so much that you would advocate fraud if that's what it takes to defeat him?

well, the point is, when the margin is this close, it's hard to say who actually won.  it's within the system's MoE, as I once explained to another poster.  at this point it is best to just hope that enough strings can be pulled so that the good guy wins.

if we saw 100k votes being "found" and all I doubt anyone would be in support of it.

[Ronnie]

I'm beginning to think this "recount" is bullsh**t.  Something here is very suspicious.

Of course you think it's bullsh!t, it's boding ill for the candidate you support. If Franken is leading when it starts, you'll be in full favor of it.

Well, duh. 

Also, Nate Silver says it's possible for there to be A TIE!

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/minnesota-recount-number-of.html

[minionofmidas]

I wonder if Mark Ritchie will call up the Reservation leaders and ask if they can chip in and "find" an extra dozen votes here and there.

How big are the rezes in Minnesota?

They have some fairly big ones up in the north of the state.

I also don't know anything about absentees being counted before Election Day.  Only early votes are, and as always, they skew heavily Democratic in Alaska.  Absentees are usually fairly close in line with election day ballots.  Of the ballots left, at minimum 1 in 6 ballots is an early vote.

No absentees (or provisionals) counted yet. The info about what numbers of what kind of votes are left and from where, exactly, yeah well I can't make up heads or tails on some of that.
I suppose we'll know more, far more, on wednesday.

If what of the early vote is in so far is any indication, it's splitting democratic much more decisively than 4 years ago. Which may make sense if many (presidential level) Republicans sat on the fence for the House and Senate race til the last moment. Which *might* mean we'll also see a split in the absentees. *If* that's accurate, I could see Begich pulling it out after all.

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Numbers unchanged.

[© tweed]

when is Hennepin coming in?  the numbers haven't changed in a while.

[Хahar 🤔]

when is Hennepin coming in?  the numbers haven't changed in a while.

They're looking for the least suspicious method, I assume.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

Franken will win this. The Democrats will find the votes needed to make sure of it.

[Rob]

Franken will win this. The Democrats will find the votes needed to make sure of it.

I certainly hope so! It would be the icing on this year's already delicious election cake.

[Eraserhead]

I think it's a coin flip at this point.

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No new results for a while; still 206.

http://electionresults.sos.state.mn.us/20081104/ElecRslts.asp?M=S&R=all&P=A&Races=%27%27

[Monty]

I think Coleman and Chambliss survive, but Stevens is going down.

[Lief 🗽]

So, it's now been nearly 48 hours since Hennepin was supposed to update. LOL.

[Meeker]

State canvassing board selected:

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A little disappointing...

[JohnnyLongtorso]

State canvassing board selected:

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A little disappointing...

What, because he's actually trying to be fair about it?

[Franzl]

State canvassing board selected:

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A little disappointing democratic...

[opebo]

A little disappointing...

What, because he's actually trying to be fair about it?

Absolutely.  They should ram this through.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

State canvassing board selected:

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A little disappointing...

That "non-partisan" judge is almost certainly a Democrat (coming from Ramsey County). All judges are elected non-partisanly, and he has to pick two from Ramsey County. So sounds like 2 Democrats, 2 Republicans and an independent.

[Meeker]

State canvassing board selected:

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A little disappointing...

What, because he's actually trying to be fair about it?

State canvassing board selected:

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A little disappointing democratic...

The Republicans would appoint a majority Republican Canvassing Board without blinking an eye if they were in charge of this recount. The fact that Democrats won't do the same out some sort of misplaced sense of "fairness" is one of the most annoying things about the party.

[emailking]

So it's at least 1 Dem, an independent, 2 Republicans, and probably another Dem. Sounds pretty fair to me.

[Lief 🗽]

The Republicans would appoint a majority Republican Canvassing Board without blinking an eye if they were in charge of this recount. The fact that Democrats won't do the same out some sort of misplaced sense of "fairness" is one of the most annoying things about the party.

I couldn't agree more. We screw ourselves over time and time again because we want to take the high road and appear to be the good guys.

[minionofmidas]

Much as I like the notion of Al Franken as Senator, stealing an election isn't worth it. Right to be fair.

[Small Business Owner of Any Repute]

The Republicans would appoint a majority Republican Canvassing Board without blinking an eye if they were in charge of this recount. The fact that Democrats won't do the same out some sort of misplaced sense of "fairness" is one of the most annoying things about the party.

I couldn't agree more. We screw ourselves over time and time again because we want to take the high road and appear to be the good guys.

Rigging an election is totally cool because the other guys would do it if they could.

That's the most retarded thing I've heard in a long time.

[Meeker]

We're not advocating stealing an election. The reality of the situation is that at this point there's no way we'll ever know who won this race - the human margin of error is too great to correctly figure it out. So, since we're not going to know who won, both sides should do everything legally possible to assure victory for themselves.

Same logic applies to Florida 2000 and Washington 2004.

[Lief 🗽]

The Republicans would appoint a majority Republican Canvassing Board without blinking an eye if they were in charge of this recount. The fact that Democrats won't do the same out some sort of misplaced sense of "fairness" is one of the most annoying things about the party.

I couldn't agree more. We screw ourselves over time and time again because we want to take the high road and appear to be the good guys.

Rigging an election is totally cool because the other guys would do it if they could.

That's the most retarded thing I've heard in a long time.

1) I'm not advocating that the election be rigged.
2) The other side has done what I'm advocating before and will do it again. See: Florida 2000 or Ohio 2004 or Georgia and Florida (if not for Crist) this year.
3) It doesn't make sense to tie our hands behind our back and not use our advantages to the fullest to win as many seats as possible to enact as much of our policy as possible. The goal of politics is winning. It's not about being fair or nice or making sure everyone feels good.