Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

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And now I see the Conservative in you.

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Just sayin':

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Voting Reform Bill of 2009

1. A person is not eligible to become a registered member of Atlasia until they have been a member of the Atlas Forum proper for 6 months.

2. All current registered members of Atlasia will not be affected by this change.

Why?

Yeah that seems awfully strict.

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This needs to be a constitutional amendment, by the way.

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2. Each account must be at least 15 days old before registering to vote.

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Twenty_seventh_Amendment_to_the_Second_Constitution

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This needs to be a constitutional amendment, by the way.

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I consider it one of my greatest accomplishments.

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God (I mean, Purple State) has been straining my suspension of disbelief for awhile. He either doesn't care about the differences between Atlasia and the United States or he hasn't cared to look up the changes we've made in the past. (Such as repealing Gramm-Leach-Bliley, or implementing the ability for the President to save individual banks when necessary.) And, of course, as Meeker said "We are not as stupid as George Bush."

As such, I'm stepping back on this one and letting his pretend apocalypse play out.

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I'm not pretending we don't have problems, I would just contend they're not as severe as our real-world counterpart. Action needs to be taken, I simply don't know what action to take.

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I'm not sure if we have to have a PPT election, but if we do, I suppose that's fine. I'm fine either having a PPT race and simply having BK take over for the rest of the time.

Although it is tempting to run for PPT again. You all deserve a second chance at making the right decision.

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And I'm sure BK and I will have a lovely working relationship if I'm so lucky as to be elected PPT.

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I'll take a pass on that one, Afleitch.

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The 180 day limit has my support. I'd rather not lower it.

I can open debate on this once we get some bills signed by the President. The inability to edit the thread titles make it difficult for Lief to know what's passed or not.

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Well yeah, NCY. Kind of.

First of all, you and the regionalists have not given any coherent reason as to why we need regions involved in the process. You either decline to debate the issue entirely, claim any small issue of reform is a power grab, or just give incoherent or contradictory explanations. So I've been incredibly frustrated, because debate is the only way I know how to go about these things, and when people deny me that avenue, I don't know how to approach any of you.

Secondly, it IS a compromise already. We want an all at-large Senate, you want the regions to continue interfering in the legislature and warping our representation. An all at-large Senate gives fair (and exciting) representation to the Senate, a CoG allows regions to maintain their representation in the federal government, and spurs competition for the Governorships of Atlasia. We've been over this countless times but you and others refuse to listen. PiT said the only way he would tolerate a CoG is if they were given extraordinary power. When that's the starting point, it's impossible to progress and find middle ground.

I tend to prefer Vepres' proposal over the CoG thing myself, but only if the seats in the upper house are elected. Also, if we establish bicameralism, it must be equal and qualified bicameralism and not one house-and-a-half stuff.

Paging the Constitutional Convention..

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I tend to prefer Vepres' proposal over the CoG thing myself, but only if the seats in the upper house are elected. Also, if we establish bicameralism, it must be equal and qualified bicameralism and not one house-and-a-half stuff.

Paging the Constitutional Convention..

I'm sorry, but the abolish regional seats in return for a CoG is basically bicameralism, like it or not, and I've made it clear already that I will only personally stand for full bicameralism and a one-and-a-half-cameralism and nothing else.

Your solution would simply duplicate the problems we already face in regional Senate elections, create a line of additional offices we may struggle to fill and maintain, and turns a blind eye to the inactivity of the races for Governor.

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I'm willing to accept the ability of the CoG to amend legislation and send it back to the Senate. I'm uncomfortable with them introducing legislation, however. If they want something introduced it's really easy to find a willing Senator to introduce it for them.

If they do get the power to introduce legislation, they should only have the power to introduce certain types of legislation, otherwise things could get quite hectic.

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If thats what you want I suggest you look for a different site. I fully intend to argue for nothing less then what I truly beleive here.

Then argue for what you believe in you holier-than-thou arrogant prick. I'll do precisely the same thing, and we'll see where that gets us.

You ask me to compromise what I beleive because "its a game". I am sorry if I am not the moderate hero you thought I was originally. You didn't have to come to my office thread and say " I trully like the way you operate". I am not moderate. I am insane, mentally unstable right wing extremist with a populist tilt who hates Liberals, Socialists, Centrists, hypocrits, and especially modern Europeans with few exceptions. You fit four of those, so things never looked good for us from the start.

You know the irony is, I wasn't intending to be holier then thou. I guess its too late now to clarify that though.

I suppose I had to learn that through experience, but your own recognition of those facts does suggest that not all hope is lost.

There is no such thing as hope. There is only disappointment. I regret a lot of things in life most notably the fact that I am in fact alive. Too say I regret saying that would just add one more thing to list of things I already regret. I didn't ask for Neurosis, I didn't ask for Depression, and I didn't ask for IBS, yet I got everyone of them. I don't see where there is any room for hope anymore. 

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Yankee, just relax. This isn't a big deal to get this upset over. Really.

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Max, I was just kidding.

Yankee may have some problems that we do or do not know about, but he doesn't need to tell us about how he's deeply paranoid and unstable. That's just not something you randomly say in public, is all.

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Stupidity over serious policy.

And if any Senator introduces it, I'll be striking it from the que unless my actions are overridden. Just saying.

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Future Senator Mint will gladly sponsor it.

Good luck with that. Enjoy the inevitable veto threat.

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Let it through. It's not as if there's a chance in hell of it passing. It's not like there's a queue that it would impede.

I suppose it would be amusing to actually let cinyc attempt to defend the idea. Go ahead, someone sponsor it.

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Let it through. It's not as if there's a chance in hell of it passing. It's not like there's a queue that it would impede.

I suppose it would be amusing to actually let cinyc attempt to defend the idea. Go ahead, someone sponsor it.

Why do you need to tell anyone to sponsor it? Too lazy to even do THAT yourself?

Why would I sponsor a bill I don't support? I've no desire to be a legislation dispenser.

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Let it through. It's not as if there's a chance in hell of it passing. It's not like there's a queue that it would impede.

I suppose it would be amusing to actually let cinyc attempt to defend the idea. Go ahead, someone sponsor it.

Why do you need to tell anyone to sponsor it? Too lazy to even do THAT yourself?

Why would I sponsor a bill I don't support? I've no desire to be a legislation dispenser.

Franzl did it recently.

And I'm not Franzl.

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Stupidity over serious policy.

And if any Senator introduces it, I'll be striking it from the que unless my actions are overridden. Just saying.

Playing politics as PPT is what's stupidity. I could have stricken crap I thought useless as PPT but I didn't because it's not the right thing to do unless it's spam which this obviously isn't.

I strike something when I find it to be ludicrous and not at all meant to be taken seriously. I did it once before with a left-wing Senator, so I'm not playing politics here. This is stupid, everyone knows it would never pass and no one actually considers this a serious proposal unless they're trolls. No one who complained about taxes (except Vepres) actually popped in with their complaints, but now people like cinyc are prancing around with this nonsense. Spare me, MJ.

Oh, and don't talk to me about conduct as an official.

My policy was to let anything threw unless it was spam and it worked just fine and no one complained. Who cares if it won't pass, it can still be debated and something could come from that. You as PPT are not supposed to stop that.

And I'll speak my peace whenever I want and I'll talk about conduct. It's not like I care what people think. If you don't like it? Oh boy, it's the internent, if people hate me they're so tough!

I, as PPT, have the power to strike amendments or legislation if they are frivolous or otherwise nonsensical. This is the grand total of the second time I've ever threatened to invoke such a power, so take a chill pill.

And you can speak all you want about it, but you're not a damn bit credible on the subject. You went MIA as PPT, then reappeared to turn into a fanatical moderator deleting whatever posts you didn't like. Your words would matter to me if you practiced what you preached.