North Carolina 2020 Redistricting

[Brittain33]

God, these people are terrible at this.

[Brittain33]

What is going to be interesting to see is which republican congress members they try to save, and which one they put in a Democratic district. Also, if that congress person ends up jumping into the Governor race or Senate Race.

With the current map that they saved, Walker, Holding and Rouzer are all likely to be voted out, with Rouzer having the best chance at winning re-election. I could see him running again. But with Walker and Holding, I don't think they will. Walker could jump to another race.

Is there any likely map where Holding isn't doomed?

[Brittain33]

Which are the Democratic districts? Obviously Charlotte, Durham, and Raleigh, but I can't judge whether NC-1 or Greensboro is now R.

[Brittain33]

If you honestly think that is why the Democrats in then states do that. Then you are fooling yourself.

I’m not saying it’s the only reason. But it was definitely republicans that started the modern gerrymandering war with the old Texas, Louisiana, Florida maps of the 2000s & 2010s. Democrats also are playing in this, but we’re the ones trying to end it.

I think you are forgetting what Democrats did in NC for years. Republicans in NC at least are making maps that are too crazy

...back when the Democratic party in states like NC and TX was still led by white conservatives. You may not be aware that a decade ago, Republicans saw gerrymandering as a necessary tool to achieve power, while the people advocating for commissions and independent redistricting were Democrats. Good government and independent redistricting are liberal priorities. After Republicans used gerrymandering to lock up state legislatures and Congress, many liberals said Inks this, let's go for the jugular, too.

[Brittain33]

If it’s wrong then why do Democrats do it now? And you can’t say well the Republicans are doing it so we have to do it to off set them… that crap and we know it.

Huh? You can’t just handwave away the argument about unilateral disarmament. It’s a real point. If Democrats don’t do it in states they control, Republican build in a big advantage to House control.

It seems like Republicans are just upset that they can’t get away with gerrymandering every other southern and Midwestern state without Democrats copying their tactics.

[Brittain33]

So what do you think the map would look like if the courts throw this one out?

Hopefully like the 2020 map with an additional competitive seat thrown in the mix.

Yes, expect a Winston-Salem / Greensboro seat and a more Democratic AA district in the northeast. Not sure what other changes.

[Brittain33]

Technically the court can do whatever they want. The leg just has a realistic nuclear option.

Lol imagined getting impeach for using special master to draw a map.

This is where our system really starts to fail. There are no repercussions for lawmakers who do this, even though their motives and actions are brazenly corrupt.

the repercussions are elections, if voters see no fault with the legislators' actions then so be it

Do you not understand why that is not a functional tool in NC today?

[Brittain33]

Sad how by their way of questioning, Newby, Morgan, Earls, and Erwin have all already made up their mind

Because a lot of judiciaries have been politicized and poisoned with partisanship beyond repair.

To be fair, this is not a new issue or discussion for this court.

[Brittain33]

I never want to hear again how the gop has a systemic bias in its favor

NY can have a 22-4 map and get away with it

Oregon can get away with its bs

Illinois can get away with its bs

These rulings always go in one direction. Always.

1. New York's litigation has just begun.
2. This is the 3rd redistricting cycle of my adult lifetime and the last two favored Republicans heavily, most especially in 2010. If Democrats have a small advantage this time (and only because so many R states like TX locked in good maps in past cycles) it is still new and small.