Brazilian presidential and general elections 2022 (1st round: October 2nd, 2nd round: October 30th)

[PSOL]

Anti-PT angst is more popular than their policy proposals, so there is a good possibility of Moro being their guy.

Not like it matters much, PT will sweep the elections.

[PSOL]

Exactly how do the PCB, UP, and PSTU differentiate themselves. I understand the latter two are more Afro-Brazilian in member composition and are more active in protest movements, but outside of this I do not have enough information to see the differences nor can I read Portuguese.

[PSOL]

Exactly how do the PCB, UP, and PSTU differentiate themselves. I understand the latter two are more Afro-Brazilian in member composition and are more active in protest movements, but outside of this I do not have enough information to see the differences nor can I read Portuguese.

I don't know UP very well. PSTU is trotskist. PCB is orthodox marxist-leninist.

Thank you Losurdo-impersonator for your wiki insight

Exactly how do the PCB, UP, and PSTU differentiate themselves. I understand the latter two are more Afro-Brazilian in member composition and are more active in protest movements, but outside of this I do not have enough information to see the differences nor can I read Portuguese.

All of them are basically non-existent in terms of political representation, although figures like Jones Manoel (PCB) have been giving parties like PCB more visibility to a younger audience more recently.

UP is the youngest, formed in 2016 and I think it has more of a XXI century interpretation of socialism. It doesn’t see China as a socialist country for example, although it takes inspiration on the revolutionary organization. It was formed with the mobilization of 4 different groups:

- Movimento de Lutas nos Bairros, Vilas e Favelas (MLB), which acts on the housing issues, so that it isn’t something accessible only to the rich
- Movimento Luta de Classes, focused on unionism matters
- Movimento de Mulheres Olga Benário, focused on feminist matters
- União da Juventude Rebelião (UJR), involved with young university student movements

PCB is the oldest communist party in Brazil, I think. They and PCdoB (now just a PT sidekick) used to be the same thing. It identifies itself as Marxist-Leninist as burito said. Internally they defend a “Democratic centralism” where different views are presented and after a wide debate the party adopts their positioning and the militants must embrace the party positions. It’s different from what you see in PT/PSOL where there are multiple ideological brands running on the inside.

PSTU is Trotskyist and defends a State without parties. In commercials they tell elections are a farce and what the country needs is a revolution. While UP would embrace every socialist experience through an updated modern understanding and PCB can have some Stalinist apologists on the inside, PSTU can be very critical of other left-wing movements. It was somewhat more open to Dilma’s impeachment.

I genuinely prefer UP and PCB over PSTU tbh, But I don’t count them out: If there’s someone I like in the elections, I will consider them. PSTU, like most trotskyists, aren’t very trustworthy.

A 4th far-left party is PCO, another Marxist party, but I don’t consider them as much of an option to substitute PSOL when voting. A running joke online is how PCO often aligns with Bolsonaro voters on many controversial issues, such as online restriction of speech. When Bolsonarists were banned/condemned for spreading hate or whatever else that pushed institution limits, PCO DEFENDED them with the argument these same measures can and will be used to censor the left and the workers fight.

My question was more in the way of how they sell themselves. Why don’t you trust Trotskyist parties?

[PSOL]

This race is safe Lula lol. You all are freaking out just like during the French elections.

[PSOL]

I tol u so bruda, I tol u so so many time I go cra cra

[PSOL]

A shame, Lula ran one of the worst campaigns of all time offering literally nothing new but a return to a past that no Brazilian really wanted.

What is worst is that in Brazil, with the worst pr disaster of all time as president and degrading living standards; instead of creating a new path for most to trek the Afro-Brazilian, indigenous, LGBTQ+, and working class leaders among others sold out to an even bigger degree and to a wider scope than is usually seen. For what, a domestic agribusiness and multinational sellout who was destined to win irregardless or their endorsement?

It’s good for the world and for most Brazilians that he is gone, but a future where they move into better living standards is now murky with going to trails passed long ago to take us to this point.

[PSOL]

Bolsonaro is done, without being president he can’t dole out goodie packages as much. He’s also the most incompetent of the fascists in office. PT isn’t faring much better, with the gerontocracy aging too much and being practically stale. The latter’s satellite parties are in periods of crisis or stagnation.

Lula will not be a popular president for long after the honeymoon period, going with how hated Boric is and how there’s no real path or message for PT/Lula anymore, he will be a lame duck. The economy is still going to be bad, and PT has less to work with in arguing for much both in ability and in political want. He also cannot change the real destiny of demographics of evangelicals having tons of babies and many conversions out of opportunism.

[PSOL]

I have my doubts the Biden Administration will extradite Bolsonaro, or if they are willing I highly suspect Bolsonaro is using the US as a transit point to flee elsewhere—most likely Israel.