Do you support Biden’s move in Afghanistan

[Senator Spark]

I support his decision to remove US troops from Afghanistan, but it seems clear that the withdrawal was not planned or executed properly. It seems somewhere up the chain of command, likely the White House as the military certainly knew the situation "on the ground" was increasingly critical, it was assumed that there would be enough time before any possible government collapse to orderly (bureaucratically) process SIV applicants in Afghanistan without the need for Saigon-esque throngs of desperate civilians and packed evacuation flights.

This is my take on it too.

[FrancoAgo]

No
and this is one of few wars, after WW2, i was in the same side of US

[Progressive Pessimist]

Yes. This was a lose-lose situation from its inception by the Bush administration. Biden decided that he would be the one to take the initiative and stop playing the game of hot potato, that three previous administrations have been playing, and deal with the consequences that probably always were going to happen. The problem was that I don't think his administration anticipated the timing of how quickly the Taliban would undo twenty years of investment. I'm not entirely sure what he could have done differently.

I will, however, judge his administration on how seriously and competently they handle the evacuations of Americans and Afghan allies who want out, in particular this impending refugee crisis. I urge him and his administration not to give any mind to the inevitable bad faith Republican criticism of him "letting terrorists into the country again."

[Calthrina950]

I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, I support Biden's decision to withdraw from Afghanistan. We were in that country for twenty years. We spent over a trillion dollars there, and over 2,000 American soldiers lost their lives. It's clear that all of our effort was for nought, and that the alternative to withdrawal would have been an eternal war against the Taliban. Biden, who is of the generation that fought in the Vietnam War, and who had began his political career during that military conflict, was clearly cognizant of the risks and skeptical of the benefits a continued presence in that country would have had for us. We should have gotten out of Afghanistan a decade ago, after Bin Laden was killed.

But on the other hand, I think the evacuation could have been handled much more competently than it was. Our intelligence apparatus clearly failed to accurately gauge the strength of the Taliban, and preparations were lacking on their part, as well as on the part of the Pentagon and of Biden's closest national security advisers. The withdrawal has been a public relations disaster, and it has further undermined our country's reputation in the eyes of the international community. It has also been of great distress to many who served in that country, and dedicated themselves there.

[DINGO Joe]

Oddly, it seems like one of the least violent weeks in the history of Afghanistan.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

No and even you disagree, our withdrawal has been a completely avoidable dumpster fire due to his administration’s breathtaking incompetence and complete disregard for Afghan lives.  This is one of those moments that makes one truly ashamed of their country and the blood is on Biden’s hands.

Please explain what specifically the administration should have done differently to avoid the allegation of "breathtaking incompetence."

We are getting all our people out safely.  That seems pretty competent to me and nothing to be ashamed of.

The blood of Afghans was going to flow no matter what.  You can thank Pakistan for that.

Well, they could have considered burning documents and evacuating citizens/allies before the Taliban were within a few dozen miles of Kabul. Maybe they could have even abandoned Bagram Airfield after using it to evacuate their people instead of trying to withdraw over a hundred thousand people (including allies and their refugees) through Taliban territory to a single completely overwhelmed airport.

If they had been taking the evacuation as seriously as they are now from the start they could have safely evacuated well before this point. The bulk of the blame belongs to the inept permanent national security apparatus AKA the Deep State that couldn't properly execute a basic retreat, but since the bulk of Biden's supporters seem to think the Deep State is some wacky conspiracy theory it looks like he'll get saddled with the blame.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Fully and enthusiastically.

However, if we take in a negligible number of refugees then I will be very disappointed.

[S019]

Absolutely not, and even if one approved of the decision to withdraw, the way it has been handled has been totally disastrous

[Horus]

Yes (normal)

[😥]

Absolutely not, and even if one approved of the decision to withdraw, the way it has been handled has been totally disastrous

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

After the Taliban has taken over Kabul, it's not a big deal, there are still droners inside Afghanistan anyways if they harbor terrorists, alot of refugees are leaving anyways, it's gonna be run just like Iraq

[Meclazine for Israel]

Yes.

I most definitely support Biden's decision. This occupation was not in the US' interest.

It's amazing how the media are biting him, yet history will vindicate him.

[Ferguson97]

Yes - conditional on us being able to safely evacuate all American citizens and Afghanis who helped us, and accepting as many refugees as we can.

[Sir Mohamed]

Yup.

Nation building in a society like this isn't working unless large parts of the population actually want a change. That's not the case here. Why should we continue to send our men and women in harms way and spend trillions for few support among Afghans and a completely corrupt govt? We should now make sure certain people can safely exit, and that's it.

[Storebought]

Biden was supposed to do a surge and a five-year reoccupation, and call that "withdrawal."

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1428012796134965259

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1428017283843207175

[GeneralMacArthur]

No and even you disagree, our withdrawal has been a completely avoidable dumpster fire due to his administration’s breathtaking incompetence and complete disregard for Afghan lives.  This is one of those moments that makes one truly ashamed of their country and the blood is on Biden’s hands.

Please explain what specifically the administration should have done differently to avoid the allegation of "breathtaking incompetence."

We are getting all our people out safely.  That seems pretty competent to me and nothing to be ashamed of.

The blood of Afghans was going to flow no matter what.  You can thank Pakistan for that.

Well, they could have considered burning documents and evacuating citizens/allies before the Taliban were within a few dozen miles of Kabul. Maybe they could have even abandoned Bagram Airfield after using it to evacuate their people instead of trying to withdraw over a hundred thousand people (including allies and their refugees) through Taliban territory to a single completely overwhelmed airport.

If they had been taking the evacuation as seriously as they are now from the start they could have safely evacuated well before this point. The bulk of the blame belongs to the inept permanent national security apparatus AKA the Deep State that couldn't properly execute a basic retreat, but since the bulk of Biden's supporters seem to think the Deep State is some wacky conspiracy theory it looks like he'll get saddled with the blame.

They've been evacuating people.  The only Americans left in Afghanistan were the handful of embassy staff and 2,500 American troops, down from tens of thousands.  Tens of thousands of SIVs have already been evacuated.  You can ask why more weren't evacuated, but Biden addressed this in his speech -- many didn't want to, and the Afghan government instructed them not to do a mass evacuation.  Maybe he shouldn't have listened to the Afghan government and just done that anyway.  That's a fair criticism but it seems like a tough judgment call with lots of pros and cons on both sides, so it's not fair to label him a failure because he picked one side of it.

If any sensitive documents ended up in the hands of the Taliban, that's got to be the fault of some low-level folks who didn't follow standard operating procedure for secure information.  Every office with secure information has a shredder and whenever you evacuate an office you're supposed to take all that information with you or shred it.  My suspicion is that this is actually just mundane information that wasn't secure and wasn't worth shredding, and the media is hyping it up like the Taliban got all our state secrets.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

No and even you disagree, our withdrawal has been a completely avoidable dumpster fire due to his administration’s breathtaking incompetence and complete disregard for Afghan lives.  This is one of those moments that makes one truly ashamed of their country and the blood is on Biden’s hands.

Please explain what specifically the administration should have done differently to avoid the allegation of "breathtaking incompetence."

We are getting all our people out safely.  That seems pretty competent to me and nothing to be ashamed of.

The blood of Afghans was going to flow no matter what.  You can thank Pakistan for that.

Well, they could have considered burning documents and evacuating citizens/allies before the Taliban were within a few dozen miles of Kabul. Maybe they could have even abandoned Bagram Airfield after using it to evacuate their people instead of trying to withdraw over a hundred thousand people (including allies and their refugees) through Taliban territory to a single completely overwhelmed airport.

If they had been taking the evacuation as seriously as they are now from the start they could have safely evacuated well before this point. The bulk of the blame belongs to the inept permanent national security apparatus AKA the Deep State that couldn't properly execute a basic retreat, but since the bulk of Biden's supporters seem to think the Deep State is some wacky conspiracy theory it looks like he'll get saddled with the blame.

It's not prudent to trust the media narrative uncritically. They've been sowing doubt and perpetuating lies and shamelessly omitting facts.

[pppolitics]

100%

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

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