Is anti-whiteness a problem in today’s America?

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.

Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

1. Thomas Espenshade himself has clearly stated that he doesn't believe that data constitutes "smoking gun" evidence for undue discrimination against Asian students because the study is entirely based on test scores, which is only one aspect of the college admissions process and one that most universities are placing less and less emphasis on.

2. That study only examines a small group of elite private universities. The disparity in test scores and acceptance rates would be much smaller if we were looking at American universities in general, as your original comment suggested.

Not to mention that that study is almost 25 years old at this point.

I mean it just seems like you're trying to nitpick here. Yes, test scores are "only one" aspect of the admission process, but it's a pretty damn big one. Along with GPA scores (which, as I mentioned before, have also shown discrimination against Asians and whites), it's the single biggest factor that determines a student's merit. And like I said, that's even after controlling for family background and athletic status as well.

And "elite private universities" are the most prestigious in the country, arguably in the world, no? Therefore, if there is discrimination in applications based on race in those instances, that's obviously something much more "institutional." If we were only looking at a couple of community colleges, it might be easier to sweep this under the rug. But if it appears to be a problem at all the Ivies, Georgetown, MIT, etc., then we can extrapolate some important information from that.

I'm not saying that "anti-whiteness" or anything like that is anything like it's been made out to be by some right-wing loons, nor is it even on par with discrimination against other races in other instances. But to act like "mean things on twitter" is the only thing that white people have to deal with when it comes to race-based discrimination is just ridiculous.

I wouldn't call it "nitpicking" to share an extremely important conclusion that Espenshade drew from his own study.

That being said, I would never deny that affirmative action has a disparate racial impact. After all, that's precisely why affirmative action exists. But when a white student is narrowly denied admission to Harvard and has to settle for UC Berkley as a consequence of affirmative action, I don't find that to a significant obstacle to that individual having a successful career or rewarding college experience. Meanwhile, the institutions utilizing affirmative action can reap the benefits of a racially diverse student population, which SCOTUS has continually found to be a compelling interest.

Also, anyone concerned about merit being lost in the college admissions process should be honing in on legacy admissions before they worry about affirmative action, because the former is a much more egregious violation. (Not directed at you, just a general observation.)

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.

Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

I don't understand how anyone could come to any other conclusion than that this is racist.

For one, the guy who conducted the study didn't come to that conclusion.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.

Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

I don't understand how anyone could come to any other conclusion than that this is racist.

For one, the guy who conducted the study didn't come to that conclusion.

There is a separate standard for Asians than for members of other races, how is that not racist?

[PSOL]

This thread greatly showcases white fragility in the United States.

[LostFellow]

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.

Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

I don't understand how anyone could come to any other conclusion than that this is racist.

For one, the guy who conducted the study didn't come to that conclusion.

There is a separate standard for Asians than for members of other races, how is that not racist?

I am speaking from the perspective of an asian american who had to have one of those "close to perfect applications" to get into a top 15 US school, and I won't argue if the current system is racist or not. But thinking of the SAT score as solely an admission standard for elite colleges (what the study focuses on) is completely false.

There are so many other factors that are more important than test scores for elite schools, such as specialized industry experience, research experience, leadership abilities, etc. Remember that when we are talking about elite schools we are talking about schools that want students who are going to build the next facebook or who are going to lead a presidential campaign one day. For elite colleges the SAT certainly does not compromise a significant portion of the admissions standard.

On the other hand, state schools which likely produce the vast majority of future "middle class" people in the US do not employ affirmative action much, if at all (e.g. UT with guaranteed admission for top 7% of the class or something).

[Calthrina950]

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

I don't agree with you much of the time, but here, you're exactly right.

[Cokeland Saxton]

Lol no

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Well WC makes gets privileged over everyone in K-12, discipline is not equal.

In the earlier days, when a Latino or Black kid acted up in school, the teacher punished the minority over the WC kid whom did wrong in school

As we know, a WC males will get the job first

[John Dule]

That would imply that anti-white people have the intelligence or ability to put their views into practical action (which they don't).

[HisGrace]

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.

Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

Of course this is being nitpicked but it's still more actual evidence than I see cited 99% of the time people talk about "systematic racism".

[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

lol no

source: am white

Your "source" means nothing, as most of the hatred is propagated by self hating whites.

[Bootes Void]

lol no

source: am white

Your "source" means nothing, as most of the hatred is propagated by self hating whites.

This is usually true, I believe very liberal whites are the only demographic group to have a outgroup bias(preference of other races over their own) in the U.S. We'll see how racial politics changes in a few years from now

[The Undefeatable Debbie Stabenow]

lol no

source: am white

Your "source" means nothing, as most of the hatred is propagated by self hating whites.

Well, good thing that you have absolutely no basis for the suggestion that I am self-hating, then. You don't have to be self-hating to acknowledge the obvious realities that accompany different racial experiences.

A few white people on Twitter going overboard with racial apologism is not indicative of anti-whiteness as a remotely formidable phenomenon in the United States. Sorry.

[beesley]

Well WC makes gets privileged over everyone in K-12, discipline is not equal.

In the earlier days, when a Latino or Black kid acted up in school, the teacher punished the minority over the WC kid whom did wrong in school

As we know, a WC males will get the job first

What does WC stand for in this context? I'd seen it in your other posts but assumed it meant either 'working class' or 'white collar'.

[John Dule]

lol no

source: am white

Your "source" means nothing, as most of the hatred is propagated by self hating whites.

Well, good thing that you have absolutely no basis for the suggestion that I am self-hating, then. You don't have to be self-hating to acknowledge the obvious realities that accompany different racial experiences.

A few white people on Twitter going overboard with racial apologism is not indicative of anti-whiteness as a remotely formidable phenomenon in the United States. Sorry.

He didn't say you were self-hating; he just said that the fact that you're white doesn't prove your point in and of itself.