2020 Census and Redistricting Thread: California

[SevenEleven]

Speaking of Valadao, why didn’t Costa stay in his original district in 2012? It barely changed. Did he want a whiter seat because he didn’t want to face a primary challenge?

CA-16 is safer for Democrats.

[Greedo punched first]

My Los Angeles-Ventura-Santa Barbara map. I wanted to keep all the Channel Islands together. Is it fine that I also put the majority-white neighborhood in Hawthorne in Ted Lieu's district?
 

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

My Los Angeles-Ventura-Santa Barbara map. I wanted to keep all the Channel Islands together. Is it fine that I also put the majority-white neighborhood in Hawthorne in Ted Lieu's district?
 

Attaching Catalina to Santa Barbara makes absolutely no sense.

[Greedo punched first]

My Los Angeles-Ventura-Santa Barbara map. I wanted to keep all the Channel Islands together. Is it fine that I also put the majority-white neighborhood in Hawthorne in Ted Lieu's district?
 

Attaching Catalina to Santa Barbara makes absolutely no sense.

Why not? Santa Barbara and Oxnard have airports. Catalina is one of the Channel Islands.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

My Los Angeles-Ventura-Santa Barbara map. I wanted to keep all the Channel Islands together. Is it fine that I also put the majority-white neighborhood in Hawthorne in Ted Lieu's district?
 

Attaching Catalina to Santa Barbara makes absolutely no sense.

Why not? Santa Barbara and Oxnard have airports. Catalina is one of the Channel Islands.

Lots of places have airports. It's in LA County, it has boat service from Long Beach and San Pedro, and it isn't connected at all to the other channel islands.

[Greedo punched first]

Updated. Long Beach and San Pedro are in Barragan's district with Catalina Island.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

How come you are all keeping the CA-21 gerrymander largely intact?

You have to have a district here that can elect a candidate of choice for the Latino community.

I made sure of that in the IE as well (I gave Torres and Aguilar majority-HCVAP seats as well). This is why I took Mono out of the Rural San Bernardino district and added Redlands to it.

It's not as necessary to do that in places that already elect Latinos. The Central Valley has never sent a Latino to Congress.

Valadao?

He's Portuguese, not Latino.

....

Really? You're going to try to create that distinction?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

How come you are all keeping the CA-21 gerrymander largely intact?

You have to have a district here that can elect a candidate of choice for the Latino community.

I made sure of that in the IE as well (I gave Torres and Aguilar majority-HCVAP seats as well). This is why I took Mono out of the Rural San Bernardino district and added Redlands to it.

It's not as necessary to do that in places that already elect Latinos. The Central Valley has never sent a Latino to Congress.

Valadao?

He's Portuguese, not Latino.

....

Really? You're going to try to create that distinction?

It is a point of contention as to whether Portuguese are Latino or not. Both sides have good arguments here.

[Greedo punched first]

When splitting cities, is it fine that I split both Hawthorne and Huntington Beach for cultural and political purposes? I also renumbered Los Angeles.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Speaking of Valadao, why didn’t Costa stay in his original district in 2012? It barely changed. Did he want a whiter seat because he didn’t want to face a primary challenge?

CA-16 is safer for Democrats.

If Costa had decided not to jump ship for CA-16, does that mean one less Central Valley seat for Rs throughout the 2010s?

[SevenEleven]

Speaking of Valadao, why didn’t Costa stay in his original district in 2012? It barely changed. Did he want a whiter seat because he didn’t want to face a primary challenge?

CA-16 is safer for Democrats.

If Costa had decided not to jump ship for CA-16, does that mean one less Central Valley seat for Rs throughout the 2010s?

Not necessarily, as Costa has never been a particular strong performer in the area. In all likelihood, however, that would be the case.

[Greedo punched first]

Does Costa live in CA-16 or CA-21?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Speaking of Valadao, why didn’t Costa stay in his original district in 2012? It barely changed. Did he want a whiter seat because he didn’t want to face a primary challenge?

CA-16 is safer for Democrats.

If Costa had decided not to jump ship for CA-16, does that mean one less Central Valley seat for Rs throughout the 2010s?

Not necessarily, as Costa has never been a particular strong performer in the area. In all likelihood, however, that would be the case.

Who do you think would run for and win CA-16?

[Greedo punched first]

Speaking of Valadao, why didn’t Costa stay in his original district in 2012? It barely changed. Did he want a whiter seat because he didn’t want to face a primary challenge?

CA-16 is safer for Democrats.

If Costa had decided not to jump ship for CA-16, does that mean one less Central Valley seat for Rs throughout the 2010s?

Not necessarily, as Costa has never been a particular strong performer in the area. In all likelihood, however, that would be the case.

Who do you think would run for and win CA-16?

Right now or back then?

[SevenEleven]

Speaking of Valadao, why didn’t Costa stay in his original district in 2012? It barely changed. Did he want a whiter seat because he didn’t want to face a primary challenge?

CA-16 is safer for Democrats.

If Costa had decided not to jump ship for CA-16, does that mean one less Central Valley seat for Rs throughout the 2010s?

Not necessarily, as Costa has never been a particular strong performer in the area. In all likelihood, however, that would be the case.

Who do you think would run for and win CA-16?

Cardoza.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Speaking of Valadao, why didn’t Costa stay in his original district in 2012? It barely changed. Did he want a whiter seat because he didn’t want to face a primary challenge?

CA-16 is safer for Democrats.

If Costa had decided not to jump ship for CA-16, does that mean one less Central Valley seat for Rs throughout the 2010s?

Not necessarily, as Costa has never been a particular strong performer in the area. In all likelihood, however, that would be the case.

Who do you think would run for and win CA-16?

Right now or back then?

in 2012, in case Costa runs in CA-21.

[Greedo punched first]

Remember Lois Capps’ eyesore snakemander until 2012?

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

How come you are all keeping the CA-21 gerrymander largely intact?

You have to have a district here that can elect a candidate of choice for the Latino community.

I made sure of that in the IE as well (I gave Torres and Aguilar majority-HCVAP seats as well). This is why I took Mono out of the Rural San Bernardino district and added Redlands to it.

It's not as necessary to do that in places that already elect Latinos. The Central Valley has never sent a Latino to Congress.

Valadao?

He's Portuguese, not Latino.

....

Really? You're going to try to create that distinction?

Uh, Latino usually indicates being from Latin America. Valadao's Family is from the Azores Islands. Very different.

[Greedo punched first]

Does the Central Valley have a large Azorean population (Nunes and Costa too)?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Does the Central Valley have a large Azorean population (Nunes and Costa too)?

https://portuguese-american-journal.com/exhibit-azorean-farmers-in-californias-central-valley-community/
Yeah.

[Coastal Elitist]

How come you are all keeping the CA-21 gerrymander largely intact?

You have to have a district here that can elect a candidate of choice for the Latino community.

Yep, and since about half of the Hispanic population of Kern, Tulare, and Kings are not part of the CVAP eligible voter pool, you still need to get aggressive in order to ensure Hispanics have a seat that can elect a candidate of their choice. Like if more hispanic citizens voted and the 116K voters from 2012 doubled in subsequent years to match it's it's brethren in the rest of the state then maybe things wouldn't need to be so aggressive. However, only 20K voters were added in 2016, and things would need to change significantly in 2020 to adjust the inevitable trajectory.

Ok, I just figured that the idea was to have no gerrymanders.

[Greedo punched first]

As younger people become old enough to vote, it will be easier to draw Hispanic districts more cleanly.

[Brittain33]

How come you are all keeping the CA-21 gerrymander largely intact?

You have to have a district here that can elect a candidate of choice for the Latino community.

I made sure of that in the IE as well (I gave Torres and Aguilar majority-HCVAP seats as well). This is why I took Mono out of the Rural San Bernardino district and added Redlands to it.

It's not as necessary to do that in places that already elect Latinos. The Central Valley has never sent a Latino to Congress.

Valadao?

He's Portuguese, not Latino.

....

Really? You're going to try to create that distinction?

Uh, Latino usually indicates being from Latin America. Valadao's Family is from the Azores Islands. Very different.

Besides, it doesn’t matter if the district has elected a Latino representative or not. It’s never about the official’s ethnicity. It’s about the community being able to elect the candidate of their choice. Valadao wasn’t the Latino community’s choice; Cox is.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

How come you are all keeping the CA-21 gerrymander largely intact?

You have to have a district here that can elect a candidate of choice for the Latino community.

I made sure of that in the IE as well (I gave Torres and Aguilar majority-HCVAP seats as well). This is why I took Mono out of the Rural San Bernardino district and added Redlands to it.

It's not as necessary to do that in places that already elect Latinos. The Central Valley has never sent a Latino to Congress.

Valadao?

He's Portuguese, not Latino.

....

Really? You're going to try to create that distinction?

Uh, Latino usually indicates being from Latin America. Valadao's Family is from the Azores Islands. Very different.

Besides, it doesn’t matter if the district has elected a Latino representative or not. It’s never about the official’s ethnicity. It’s about the community being able to elect the candidate of their choice. Valadao wasn’t the Latino community’s choice; Cox is.

See also: SC-01 electing a black man, Tim Scott, does not mean it qualifies to be a black VRA seat.

[S019]

I was wondering is it possible to keep CA-16 as 52%+ Hispanic VAP with 2018 population if you just use Merced, Madera, and Fresno city in Fresno, because it doesn't seem so, and you can't expand west into Fresno County, because those Hispanic precincts are needed for CA-21, so I'm interested as to how you guys got around this, unless you took the seat apart or just changed it into a minority coalition one.