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muon2
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« on: March 03, 2014, 08:46:30 AM »

I'm not so sure about this possible invasion of Eastern Ukraine.

If we believe in Russia's justification that Putin wants to protect their people (I don't), many maps posted in this thread showed that ethnic Russians are a plurality in little enclaves surrounded by ethnic Ukrainians. An intervention (and annexation) against that zones would destroy the credibility of the Casus Belli defended by Moscow.

I have "evolved" in my previous thoughts and I think that Putin wants Crimea for the only reason of not losing in a future Russian's naval bases and the traditional Manifest Destiny of every Russian Empire of an available-even-in-winter military port and a dominant position in the Black Sea.

Year after year the possibility of an "European" and pro NATO Ukraine increases.

That and the pipelines... but I would not talk about it because I've read different and many times contradictory information of the issue and I'm not a specialist in energy geopolitics.

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In other words, if Putin  hasn't fell in megalomaniac dementia, I think that Crimea will be his last adventure for the moment. There are treaties, I know, but I can't see "Americans", Europeans and Western Ukrainians going to a complete war against a superpower for a peninsula that should have never left Russia, both by population and geopolitical balance.

This is not so different than some of my thoughts on the other thread about separation. However, a week ago there was a diplomatic path for the US to act to reopen the Budapest Memorandum and subsequent basing agreement for changes in status for both Crimea (more Russian sphere) and Ukraine (more EU/NATO sphere). I don't see that path as clearly now given actions by Russia and statements by the US.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2014, 06:25:31 PM »

The interesting poll in Crimea would be three choices: autonomous state in Ukraine, autonomous state in Russia, or full independence.
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2014, 09:14:58 AM »


And the United States is supposed to take action to defend the capricious border changes set by Nikolai Khrushchev?

You swore in a treaty to do this - in exchange for taking Ukrainian nukes. Do not want to do it? Give back the nukes.

Actually I checked and don't believe action, beyond consultation with the signatories, is mandated. Here are the terms of the Budapest Memorandum:

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Only point 6 is specifically applicable here. Other actions would have to be based on the CSCE agreement or the UN charter.
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