Opinion of "intellectual indie hack" style liberals

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Kind of a weird term, but it's hard to come up with a name for these type of people. Even though many tend to be scene it's not just my scene they're into. Basically think of people who:

-Are either grad students or already have a Masters/PhD, or at the very least a Bachelor's and spent a lot of time working toward it. Are quite well versed with obscure philosophers, authors no one outside of academia cares and love to namedrop such topics.
-Love to talk in Tumblr-style terms about things like "gender oppression", "heterosexist society" and use extremely politically correct language and terminology and always.
-Also love to speak about first world privileges and oppression and exploitation by capitalist corporations of developing and poor nations, but have no problems using their iPhones/Droids, expensive computers or tablets, and already bought or plan on buying very soon next generation gaming consoles. Also spend a significant portion of their disposable income on alcohol and/or weed. And things like limited edition colored vinyl.
-Usually not religious, if they are, they're a "hipster Christian", obviously there's no way they'd ever belong to any type of established or traditional church and as we all know from my talk don't give a s[inks] about ethno-religious identity or their family's tradition or culture at all, after all that's exactly what they moved to where they live to escape.
-Love to listen to pretentious independent music (hence my "scene", common there), go to pretentious indie movies, reject anything "mainstream", etc.
-Always live in "hip" neighborhoods in major cities, like where I live in Minneapolis, Silverlake, Williamsburg, Mission District, Wicker Park, etc. and get a good chunk of their information from "alternative weeklies" like everything owned by Village Voice Media.
-Are giant hardcore supporters of Obama and the Democratic Party. Would never think of supporting a third party at any point since 2000, and love to think of themselves as so superior to naive idealists and obviously way superior to any Republicans, as all Republicans are backwards, bigoted neanderthals.
-Might describe themselves as "political", but usually only get really active if there's an election soon. And even then massive activity is not guaranteed unless Obama or something related to pot or gay marriage is on the ballot.

...I find it kind of amazing how despite how narrow of criteria this is, this still accurately describes sooooo many people I associate with and probably a majority of those applies to a majority of people I associate with as well. So obviously, Freedom Fighters.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

How is most of that consisting of negative connotations? Hell a majority of that applies even to myself.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Massive FFs.

I'm quite surprised. You even think weed is bad!

Also you don't seem like you'd be too fond of Dan Savage. His column is carried in basically every paper popular amongst these types.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Massive FFs.

I'm quite surprised. You even think weed is bad!

Didn't say I was one of them! I certainly find point #3 to be rather distasteful, but overall I can get past this as the difference is mostly "cultural" rather than political. #5 and #6 are not my cup of tea either, but I really don't mind. However, points #1, #2 and, especially, #7, are huge pluses in my view.

Thinking back about it (especially #8 which I consider very bad), I should have said "FF on balance".

Might I also point out that if male (actually sometimes not even then) despite the Tumblr-style terms they usually have no problem with going to strip clubs or hiring prostitutes? In fact it's not too uncommon for sex workers to also be this (think Diablo Cody or that woman I once got "massages" from who had a Master's Degree in Psychology.) Although when you think about it considering what other type of content is on Tumblr this isn't surprising at all...

Lief has a lot of similarities to this type after all even if he's not fond of the same type of music.

But yeah I get the point about standing up against the conservative-True Leftist coalition. My point moreso is that you probably wouldn't enjoy going to to the type of shows and fests I do.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Awful, obviously. With the way BRTD described them, it seemed obvious that he wouldn't like them, despite similarities that he seemed to acknowledge. Little I'm your language went towards defending these so-called FF's.

What you fail to realize is I'm essentially just describing the people in my favorite bands.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Awful, obviously. With the way BRTD described them, it seemed obvious that he wouldn't like them, despite similarities that he seemed to acknowledge. Little I'm of your language went towards defending these so-called FF's.

What you fail to realize is I'm essentially just describing the people in my favorite bands.

And yet you do so in a way that seems to speak ill of them, at least to most people outside your "sub-culture".

People can be self-depreciating. Remember my blueprint for "Sceneland"?

Certainly far superior to metalheads though.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

-Love to listen to pretentious independent music (hence my "scene", common there), go to pretentious indie movies, reject anything "mainstream", etc.

It's just curiosity. Could you name some "pretentious" indie bands? I suspect I might like some of them, unless they are too new. I've been somewhat disconnected in the last 2/3 years and focused on late 70s/ early 80s bands and older stuff (outside mainstream, needless to say). A couple of years ago, I used to hate all "mainstream" music. Nowadays I can enjoy Like A Virgin , only because I'm so cool, etcetera. I've always hated words like "scene", on the other hand, and have little patience with snobs, unless I find other qualities in such persons to compensate their elitist arrogance

The type of bands I'm thinking of? You probably wouldn't like them. I'm thinking of artsy (real) emo/hardcore, ala Orchid, Ampere, This Ship Will Sink, The Assistant, Instil, Wrong Day to Quit, You and I, Funeral Diner, Staircase, Under a Dying Sun...oh yeah most of that is actually about ten years old now, wow.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

so basically bill maher and his fan base. hp obvsly

couldn't be further from the truth. bill maher is neckbeard/reddit porn.

Absolutely.

BRTD's amateur anthropology only applies to a very, very, very select demographic that can only be encountered in large numbers in a few neighborhoods in a few cities.

Very true.

It's also specific to a generation that came of age when President Bush was still in office.

I'll concede this as well. "Write what you know" and all that.

BRTD's characterization of this demographic is unfair: no one in this subculture shies away from the "mainstream" because it is mainstream but for aesthetic reasons. BRTD never fails to make preferences for underground/cutting edge culture seem snobby, decadent and despicable.

I think this is an effect of being in something for so long you often fail to realize how some things that are taken for granted might sound on the outside.

But my statement about "reject anything "mainstream"" was an oversimplification that could easily come across the wrong way, and in all fairness not entirely accurate either. I don't think there's anything snobby about the type of attitude in refusing to even give a chance to the Transformers movies for example. Actually just think of how fond these types are of The AV Club and you have a pretty good summary of media tastes there.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Fugazi is not hardcore.

The members came from influential real emo bands Rites of Spring and Embrace.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Yeah it's overspecific, but the main reason I made this poll (and the details about music and whatnot are only because that's where I see this sort of thing the most, I'll admit it most certainly exists outside my scene) is the combination of the rhetoric that would be considered "far left", yet the extreme hackery for the Democratic Party and militant opposition against anyone who ever proposes voting otherwise. Though as EMD pointed out this is kind of just a trait of anyone who came of age in the George W. Bush presidency for obvious reasons.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

You SHOULD listen to Fugazi. And those other two bands.

And I agree with the second paragraph very much. Remember those traits all very much apply to me.