cowards!

[senatortombstone]

Here is a link to a news article depicting the cowardly actions of deserters.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151416,00.html

"I was faced with situations where, if I followed orders, I would have killed innocent people," Anderson, 22, told the crowd. "I refused to do that."

That quote really burns me.  First of all it isnn't true and if this guy had any stones he would protest and resist the war within the US and face the consequences of his actions, not run to Canada.

But I have another question for him.

"what if you were in the Iraqi Republican Guard and were ordered to pull the tongue out of someone who had managed to piss Saddam off.  Would you do it?  Would you refuse to follow that order?"

I don't think his conscience would override his sense of self-preservation.

In othe words, he is only being talking tough and noble because he knows there are no real long-term, life-threatening consequences for deserting the military.

If he were in the oppostion's armies and refused to kill Americans, he'd have his head sawn off.  However, I highly doubt that most conscientious objectors would object to killing innocent Americans.  For some reason they're not anti-war or anti-violence, only anti-jutice and truth.


These conscientious objectors are cheap ass cowards who joined the military for a free education and now thatthey actually might have fight, they turn tail and run.  These freaks are no better than the terrorists we're fighting against.

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good people. Putting up resistance to militarism and taking the path of peace.

What the hell are you talking about?  What peace can come from letting terrorists run rampant through the streets killing people?

Your idea of peace is the US laying its weapons down and letting everybody else kill eachother.  YOu're no bette rthan they are.

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man, I bet you people would've whined about the Filipino soldiers and officers that refused to support Marcos when his regime became unstable and thus caused for it to collapse and forced him to flee, or the Romanian military when they decided to quit following orders from Ceausescu and overthrew and killed him and his wife instead.

You're going to compare that to the freest nation on Earth?

I guarentee you that these so called conscientious objectors wouldn't have the real courage that those fillipinos did when they resisted a tyrannical regime.

Of course you and other whackos out there view the US as the most oppressive regime of all.  But if the US employed even 1/100th of the methods used by those you compare it to, you wouldn't be opposed to it and rant.

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These liberal hippies are nothing but cowards.  They know they can protest and defame the US without fear of reprisal.  that doesn't take any courage.

If these cowardly deserters were really brave then they'd dissent in the US.  They really may not believe in war, but why then did they join the military?  And if they are really passionate about their beliefs, then why not stay in the US and pick up the fight.  They are hypocrites for joining the military.  They are cowards because they are afraid to take a true stand for what they claim to beleive.  They are lying when they say that the US murders innocents.  For all these things they should die.

What if our entire military became conscientious objectors?

What if they did during WWII?

conscientious objectors=cowards

[senatortombstone]

So tombstone....

Your profile says you're 26.  Have you served yet?  Are you serving currently?  Or are you another chickenhawk afraid to put his butt on the line for his millitant beliefs?

Ad hominem attacks such as these are not worthy of a response.

[senatortombstone]

So tombstone....

Your profile says you're 26.  Have you served yet?  Are you serving currently?  Or are you another chickenhawk afraid to put his butt on the line for his millitant beliefs?

Ad hominem attacks such as these are not worthy of a response.

Yup, it's a real show of courage to avoid a driect question while attacking someone you never met by calling him a coward.

I repeat, ad hominem attacks such as these are not worthy of a response.

[senatortombstone]

So tombstone....

Your profile says you're 26.  Have you served yet?  Are you serving currently?  Or are you another chickenhawk afraid to put his butt on the line for his millitant beliefs?

Ad hominem attacks such as these are not worthy of a response.

Yup, it's a real show of courage to avoid a driect question while attacking someone you never met by calling him a coward.

I repeat, ad hominem attacks such as these are not worthy of a response.

O.K then: justify your ad hominem attacks on all conscientous objectors.

People who join the military and all of a sudden have a crisis of conscious and then run to Canada are cowards.  If they believe war to be wrong, then why did they sign on with the military?  If they aren't cowards, then why don't they remain in the US and make their protests here, where they can show true courage by facing the consequences of their actions.

In the past I have been called a coward for supporting the war/military, but not serving in it.  That's just stupid.  As response to those who make such accusations I ask them the follwoing questions

"If you're so against the war and the US then why don't you join up with a terrorist group like Al Qaeda?"

If I'm a chickenhawk because I support the war but am not in the military, then those who are against the war, but not enlisted in a terrorist group are "parlor terrorists"

See how pathetic this is?  Just because I am not an enlisted man doesn't mean that these deserters aren't traitorous cowards.

They're traitorous, hypocritical cowards who don't deserve the unmitigated honor of being an American.  Let them rot in Canada.  Let Canada rot for supporting them.  Let all who enjoy our freedoms rot, for supporting cowards, while condemning the military.  

Anyone who supports these cowards should be ashamed of themselves.

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I've always felt that draft dodgers used the "unjust war" claim as an excuse to make their cowardice look noble.

I totally agree, an unjust war to a conscientious objector is one that they have to serve in.  It all comes down to selfishness.  This current batch of cowards are selfish.  Theyw anted a free education from the military and when the time came for them to make good on their obligations, they turned tail and ran.

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man, I bet you people would've whined about the Filipino soldiers and officers that refused to support Marcos when his regime became unstable and thus caused for it to collapse and forced him to flee, or the Romanian military when they decided to quit following orders from Ceausescu and overthrew and killed him and his wife instead.

You're going to compare that to the freest nation on Earth?

How the hell can you call the USA the freest nation on Earth? You can't legally smoke pot, we have the Patriot Act, no gay marriage, etc. You can say it's in our benefit to not be totally free, but we really aren't the freest nation.

Freedom comes with responsibility and that doesn't include legally sanctioned bong and butt-banging.

[senatortombstone]

man, I bet you people would've whined about the Filipino soldiers and officers that refused to support Marcos when his regime became unstable and thus caused for it to collapse and forced him to flee, or the Romanian military when they decided to quit following orders from Ceausescu and overthrew and killed him and his wife instead.

You're going to compare that to the freest nation on Earth?

How the hell can you call the USA the freest nation on Earth? You can't legally smoke pot, we have the Patriot Act, no gay marriage, etc. You can say it's in our benefit to not be totally free, but we really aren't the freest nation.

Name a country where you can smoke pot, have gays marry, one with no Patriot Act, but it must have the same economic freedoms we have, namely low taxes, a free education, the ability to become whatever you want with hard work.  Also, that country must be able to defend itself with a strong military and its citizens must not live in fear of their government falling to a rebellion.  Look hard, because there isn't any such country.

Canada has everything you mentioned except low taxes. Canadians, or citizens in Western Europe, don't fear their government being overthrown. A strong military has nothing to do with freedom. If you want to talk about freedom from fear, the USA isn't very good because we have many more gun murders than any other first-world country per year, so we live in more fear of being murdered than Canada, France, Germany, etc.

It really depends where you live, the Us is a huge country and some places are safer than others.

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man, I bet you people would've whined about the Filipino soldiers and officers that refused to support Marcos when his regime became unstable and thus caused for it to collapse and forced him to flee, or the Romanian military when they decided to quit following orders from Ceausescu and overthrew and killed him and his wife instead.

You're going to compare that to the freest nation on Earth?

How the hell can you call the USA the freest nation on Earth? You can't legally smoke pot, we have the Patriot Act, no gay marriage, etc. You can say it's in our benefit to not be totally free, but we really aren't the freest nation.

Freedom comes with responsibility and that doesn't include legally sanctioned bong and butt-banging.

It should include those things, obviously.  Otherwise it is not a free country.  The US is way down the list of free countries - Canada is a good example of one that is more free.. the Netherlands is an even better one.

'Economic freedom' of the top-tax-rate type you prize matters only to about 1% of the population, while personal freedoms such as using drugs and purchasing or selling sex matters to a much larger share.

LOL, you really wanna get laid, don't you Opebo?