Grover Cleveland vs. Woodrow Wilson

[OSR stands with Israel]

Wilson's First Term > Cleveland's First Term >>≥>>>>>>>>>>> Cleveland's Second Term > Wilson's Second Term

yep. I think I'd overall put Wilson ahead of Cleveland.

It's very odd that those two both had a similar trajectory into disaster on the second term  - though that seems to happen in American politics, regardless of party.

Not true for Truman,IKE,Reagan, Clinton

[Boomer sooner]

Cleveland due to wilsons racism and Latin American militarism.

[Mr. Smith]

Cleveland due to wilsons racism and Latin American militarism.

Cleveland was anti-Oriental when all was said and done. Try again.

[Boomer sooner]

Cleveland due to wilsons racism and Latin American militarism.

Cleveland was anti-Oriental when all was said and done. Try again.

I'm not saying he was a civil rights hero but he was better then segregating D.C. And other federal offices wilson. And I still say he was better on foreign policy by a lot even if that's blasphemy to the wilsonians.

[Prosperum]

Wilson's 1st >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Cleveland's 1st > Wilson's 2nd >>>>>>>>>>>>Cleveland's 2nd.


Yeah, I gotta go with Wilson.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Wilson's First Term > Cleveland's First Term >>≥>>>>>>>>>>> Cleveland's Second Term > Wilson's Second Term

yep. I think I'd overall put Wilson ahead of Cleveland.

It's very odd that those two both had a similar trajectory into disaster on the second term  - though that seems to happen in American politics, regardless of party.

Not true for Truman,IKE,Reagan, Clinton

I disagree: Truman's second term was marred with the failed rollback in Korea, the morally correct but politically damaging dismissal of MacArthur, the fall of China to Communism, the rise of the Red Scare, his defeat by the Supreme Court irt his steel nationalisation and various corruption scandals. As for Reagan, it's pretty hard to  argue that his second term went remotely as well as his first, given Iran Contra.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Wilson's handling of WW1 was ridiculously shambolic, even if you agree with the war itself (I don't).

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Both were disasters marred by totally incoherent policies, especially in their second terms. Despite (or because of?) this, Wilson is one of the most important presidents in American History yet there is something deeply political yet intellectually incredulous about appointing both James Clark McReynolds and Louis Brandeis to the Supreme Court.