NRA Membership surges by 100,000 since Sandy Hook

[Franzl]

2013 = 1776, except instead of taxation without representation, we just have way too many dead kids

That's the price we have to pay for freedom.

[Franzl]

So there are at least 100 thousand callous, tin-foil hat, gun fetishists out there. What a comforting thought.

And many of them are armed to the teeth.

[Franzl]

Most I know just get a lifetime membership, which is $1000.

Hahah, so they get paranoid hillbillies to pay them a month's salary so they can spend it on lobbying for their real clients (the multi-billion dollar gun industry). That's kind of hilarious.

It's like taking candy from a baby...

[Franzl]

Most I know just get a lifetime membership, which is $1000.

Hahah, so they get paranoid hillbillies to pay them a month's salary so they can spend it on lobbying for their real clients (the multi-billion dollar gun industry). That's kind of hilarious.

They wouldn't have reason to be paranoid if the lefties would stop threatening to take their guns away every time it becomes politically convenient.

When does the left do this?

I mean, I'd welcome it, but it won't happen.

[Franzl]

If your goal is to reduce gun violence, I think asking if NRA members are often involved in violent gun crimes isn't a dumb question.  You can see it differently if you want, but to me it just looks like you guys don't actually want to discuss the issue, you just want to feel smug.

It is irrelevant whether those gun nuts are NRA members or not. You're just trying to create a distraction and find an excuse for NRA's reprehensible stance.

Whether the NRA members are violent themselves is irrelevant, they actively support an organization that lobbies for policies that make gun violence easier and more common.

[Franzl]

What policy do you want to debate? I've not seen many arguments from the pro-gun side, to be honest, except for the "Yay 2nd amendment!" line.

I've never been convinced that any problem guns "solve" wasn't created by them in the first place.

[Franzl]

What policy do you want to debate?

The policy you want to implement?

Alright. I wish to abolish the 2nd amendment, as I don't believe people have an inherent right to a gun, and because it seems evident that easy accessibility to guns in society has a strong corelation to rates of violent crime and further leads to a "culture of fear" where everyone needs more guns to protect themselves and so on. And to fight the evil federal government, when they come to take away the guns, of course.

I imagine you dispute my findings and disagree with the conclusion.

Is our debate over then?

[Franzl]

eegads man....the fear is stong with this one


Ok, how's about something you think might actually have a change at getting passed?

But that's the issue: Nothing that would seriously help solve the problem has even a remote chance of being passed.