Is Islam a hateful religion?

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I just thought this board was a bit lacking in flamewars.

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No, but this is so subjective you can define yourself into any answer you like.

Part of the fun!

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The moderates in the religion are doing nothing to improve their image or their insane leaders and radical wing. Until something changes along those lines, then yes, overall I'd have to say yes. It's nice to say you have moderates and modern thinkers but if they are sitting on the sidelines condemning the actions of their fellow followers then they are just as bad as the radicals.

What do you propose we do, then? I'd love to stamp out Wahhabism, but it's not really possible.

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Bane, what do you base your "facts" on? Even the most evangelical Christians I see on a daily basis don't want to stone people in the streets.

Neither do the most hardcore fundie Muslims I meet. There is a lunatic fringe everywhere.

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I don't know if it's a hateful religion but it did breed Xahar which is something.

I will say that my views haven't been mainstream in Bangladesh since the coup of 1975. If anything, it's America that's prouced my thinking.

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The modern perception of Islam portrays Islam as a hateful religion, but as a whole religious entity the Islamic religion is not a hateful religion.

It reminds me when I had a discussion about Islam with a friend of mine, and he like most people in regards to Islam believes that it is indeed a hateful religion. His examples primarily included martyrs and I believe the September 11 terrorist attacks.

And what were yours?

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I am by no means an expert of Islam, but I think you can judge a religion on how the majority of it's followers act.

Well, it's a way too see things. Personally when I'm asked "Is Islam a hateful religion? I think about what I know on the spirituality of Islam and I answer... No.

Can we do a hateful, insane, use of Islam? I answer... Yes. But so we can do of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism (yes, yes, we can), Hinduism or any spirituality you can think about.

I would personally say that Islam is more and more used in hateful and insane aims but is not something insane and hateful.

My argument for that statement is simply what a religion does for the people that follow it.  If the majority of the followers, regardless of the doctrine, are insane crazy nut cases..then in my opinion that certain religion isn't doing any favors for the people.  If the people following the faith are good people, then the religion is making a good impact on the lives of everyone.

Yep, pretty much the point I've been making. If the moderates are doing nothing to change the situation on the ground they are irrelevant and aren't even worth discussing.

The problem is that there is no centralized authority of any sort. The extremism, thus, isn't because of Islam. Whenever condidtions are bad, people turn to radicalism. In the Middle East, the easiest form is Islam. In Northern Ireland circa 1970, it was Christianity. It has to do with religion in general, not the religion itself.

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I am by no means an expert of Islam, but I think you can judge a religion on how the majority of it's followers act.

Well, it's a way too see things. Personally when I'm asked "Is Islam a hateful religion? I think about what I know on the spirituality of Islam and I answer... No.

Can we do a hateful, insane, use of Islam? I answer... Yes. But so we can do of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism (yes, yes, we can), Hinduism or any spirituality you can think about.

I would personally say that Islam is more and more used in hateful and insane aims but is not something insane and hateful.

My argument for that statement is simply what a religion does for the people that follow it.  If the majority of the followers, regardless of the doctrine, are insane crazy nut cases..then in my opinion that certain religion isn't doing any favors for the people.  If the people following the faith are good people, then the religion is making a good impact on the lives of everyone.

Yep, pretty much the point I've been making. If the moderates are doing nothing to change the situation on the ground they are irrelevant and aren't even worth discussing.

The problem is that there is no centralized authority of any sort. The extremism, thus, isn't because of Islam. Whenever condidtions are bad, people turn to radicalism. In the Middle East, the easiest form is Islam. In Northern Ireland circa 1970, it was Christianity. It has to do with religion in general, not the religion itself.

The fighting in Northern Ireland was hardly about Christian radicalism. Do you really think those gun-toting ski mask wearing IRA guys regularly attended mass? Give me a break.

They may never have attended mass, but they were aggressively Catholic.

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I just thought this board was a bit lacking in flamewars.

What are your comments about the matter  Xahar (the good, the bad, and the ugly), being fair and balanced and trying to took in from out, as it were? 

Never did manage to get to this question:

Islam today as it is popularly seen is not inherently Islamic, but rather a reaction to social conditions prevalent in Muslim areas. As Islam is a common value that the "opressed" (poor nations) hold, and that the "opressors" (the West) do not, it is a useful tool, and a tool that is almost too easy to use because of the total lack of centralized authority.

Islam is an Abrahamic religion, for better or for worse. True, there are some parts of the Qur'an which may seem out of place inn a modern society, but the Qur'an itself states that it is not all to be taken at face value. 3:7 is a Ninth Amendment of sorts for Islam.

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Well the disappointing thing (at least to me) is that there seems to be a tacit tolerance by a disturbingly high percentage of Muslims of the perps. That shows up in poll after poll of Muslims. There is also a reluctance to denounce such folks as criminal frauds.

That has to do with their perception as freedom fighters. Again, it has to do most of all with socioeconomic conditions, and any waay of sticking it to The Man will be approved of. This happens in all disadvantaged societies.

And what afleitch says is quite true as well. They're religious hacks, if you may.

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Yes, absolutely.

Would you care to justify this statement?