UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[omar04]

Gove is also fascinating- it is forgotten that he was a devout part of the modernising movement around Cameron and while the Cameron set certainly birthed Trussism in a way (spin over substance, a wilful disregard about what cuts to public spending does etc) it equally can be said that Gove comes from the modernising tradition and understands that politics has changed- as it did in the 2000s and as it did now.

From what I can tell, Cameron had brains but not enough guts, and Truss has guts but not enough brains

[omar04]

Apparently Truss' father is not a huge fan of her politics.  Both her parents were fairly left wing and her father is a retired professor of mathematics from University of Leeds.  While not in her riding, I wonder if her father will vote Conservative out of love for daughter or will his opposition to her policies mean he votes Labour?

her mother would be more likely to vote for the Conservatives than her father.

[omar04]

https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1576888448450969600

[omar04]

A couple of other selected highlights from the 1922:

• MP leaving 1922 room after about 30 mins of PM, one quips to hacks through gritted teeth: ‘I’m going to get drunk.’
• Other MPs monosyllabic. Speech was ‘great’ ‘fine’. One helpfully deadpans ‘the Prime Minister spoke to us’.
• Liz Truss was accused of “betraying” blue collar conservatism by one of her MPs in tonight’s 1922 committee. Apparently the PM looked shellshocked at the attack
• So keen was one MP for us to know how well Truss was doing down that they thumped on the inside of the committee room door for about 20 seconds. We did wonder for a moment if they were trapped and trying to get out...
• One Tory MP describes Truss' appearance at the 1922 committee as "funereal." Another, asked if she had done more to reassure colleagues, replies "absolutely not."
• After PM's appearance at the 1922 tonight, one Tory MP told me it was the "worst 1922 I've ever been to". They said: "With each tough question she looked like she’s had the wind knocked out of her, 31st Oct could finish her off on the basis of the reception she got in that room."
• A pro-Truss MP admitted there was "a big split" but they wanted her to "plough on ahead" with anyone who rebels losing the whip. If PM rows back they said she will have "been leveraged into that position by our own party" and those agitating were those "with 20,000 majorities".

One MP has been named as attacking Truss during the meeting: Robert Halfon, who chairs the education select committee, told Truss she had "trashed the last 10 years" of the Conservative economic record, according to one colleague.

I remember when Johnson addressed the 1922 after several rounds of partygate, and while the mood was dire, there were always some MPs who'd come out with a spring in their step, concerns assuaged - and always a few journalists briefing that the mood within the party had rallied.

In contrast, this just sounds dire.

Ah yes, the economic record of poor quality jobs and the slowest productivity growth since WW2.

[omar04]

Are there any good Twitter lists to follow for politics?

[omar04]

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1581032339635044352

Collapse your government speed run

[omar04]

Lmao, Andrew Bridgen just said Truss should quit. That should be the final nail in the coffin.

[omar04]

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1582018009555689475

[omar04]

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1582018009555689475

The Guardian are reporting that she was in a private meeting with Graham Brady during the Labour Urgent Question…

Ouch, Brady must have been showing her all the letters demanding a vote of no confidence. Apparently the number of them could be as high as 100.

EDIT: Actually wasn't Brady at the chambers during the session?

[omar04]

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1582018009555689475

The Guardian are reporting that she was in a private meeting with Graham Brady during the Labour Urgent Question…

Ouch, Brady must have been showing her all the letters demanding a vote of no confidence. Apparently the number of them could be as high as 100.

EDIT: Actually wasn't Brady at the chambers during the session?

Mixed reports at the moment - but these are the 2022 Conservatives, so I assume we’ll have the full story leaked by the 10pm news.

I'm reading that he left at some point.

[omar04]

https://twitter.com/PaulGoodmanCH/status/1582767147100811264

the conservatives have been promising less immigration for a decade up to Truss' own election this summer

[omar04]

Bit off topic, but this explains everything.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1042969714656509952?s=20&t=gBHJuFOZDHOu3...

At least she didn't put ketchup on her hot dog.

Random question for UK posters: what is the UK football equivalent to the Cleveland Browns?

the Bolton Wanderers?

[omar04]

There's a large discrepancy between the electorate and constituencies on immigration, the former is roughly 50-50 while 75% of the latter are majority immigration skeptics.
https://www.ft.com/content/940323de-74b7-459d-bb13-0a55409f7135

[omar04]

Its the mythology that Thatcher was always "resolute" and never ever compromised that is killing the Tories - Truss deployed this fairy story constantly during her fated 50 days as well.

What were some notable compromises of her? I do know that she signed the agreement to return Hong Kong in 1997.

[omar04]

There were lots over time, though they mostly came before the 1987 GE which tells its own story.

An under-remembered one was her declaration that "the NHS is safe with us" at the 1982(?) party conference - some normally sympathetic think tankers and ideologues were far from happy at this.

Out of curiosity, did she ever compromise with any unions?

[omar04]

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1606286081216991232

[omar04]

This guy reduced to pandering to the rubiest rubes in the country so his party clears 150 seats at the next election is so funny.
https://twitter.com/rishisunak/status/1708067400820687265?s=46&t=o2RmfeV6yYJ...

I think this is more aimed at the party officials gathered for the Conservative Party Conference right now.