Should Dylann Roof receive the death penalty?/Will he?

[WVdemocrat]

I don't believe in the death penalty, but if he gets it, which I suspect he will, I won't be crying any tears over him.

[WVdemocrat]

And the "i won't lose sleep over it" answer is weasal words. Just come out and say it: "I sincerely hope this mass murderer's life will be spared, and will object mightily if is not". Anything less is a desire to hold the smug 'moral high ground' while simultaneously quietly admitting some offenses deserve execution.

I believe the death penalty is wrong under any circumstances whatsoever. No exceptions.

With acts of terrorism or mass murder, I understand people who want to see the perpetrators given the death penalty, but I still think it's wrong. I agree that Roof did a very, very bad thing, which is why I wouldn't be dwell on him being given the death penalty. However, I would still be opposed to it.

[WVdemocrat]

And the "i won't lose sleep over it" answer is weasal words. Just come out and say it: "I sincerely hope this mass murderer's life will be spared, and will object mightily if is not". Anything less is a desire to hold the smug 'moral high ground' while simultaneously quietly admitting some offenses deserve execution.

What a load of bullsh*t.

I seem to have struck a nerve......

No, you're just spewing out untrue nonsense.

[WVdemocrat]

Damn, hell of a lot of terrorist-coddlers on this website. Obviously he should be executed.

I don't defend anything he did. As a moral issue, I oppose capital punishment. I ask that you stop implying that somehow I condone his actions. That is insulting and absurd.

[WVdemocrat]

And the "i won't lose sleep over it" answer is weasal words. Just come out and say it: "I sincerely hope this mass murderer's life will be spared, and will object mightily if is not". Anything less is a desire to hold the smug 'moral high ground' while simultaneously quietly admitting some offenses deserve execution.

What a load of bullsh*t.

I seem to have struck a nerve......

No, you're just spewing out untrue nonsense.

Garbage. I was a defense attorney (and capital punishment opponent) once, and you defend your client to the utmost whether they are in fact innocent (almost never the case) or guilty7 as sin of the most henious crimes. if when envisions death penalty defendants as largely innocent victims of corrupt racist police and judiciary, but soften their resistance to mere  lip service when faced with a truly horrific and monsterous hate crime like this, that's hypocritical.

opposition to the death penalty means being able to oppose its use even in the most henious crimes such as this. anyone who refuses to oppose the death penalty just as vehemently here vs. the cases of Mumia or the like is frankl. just wussing out.

Then let me say it as clearly and unequivocally as I can:

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Dylann Roof should not be given the death penalty.

Note: This does not, in any form, equal condoning his obviously heinous crime. It is simply meant to make clear my stance on this moral issue.

Happy now?

[WVdemocrat]

They'll never be happy until more blood is shed in revenge, dimplechad.  It's a sport for them.

Actually, protecting crime victims is my life's calling, so yes, i get more then a tad testy when dorm room internet warriors minimize issues and actual human suffering to caricatures.

I don't think anybody should be killing anybody. Is that such a bad idea?

[WVdemocrat]

Yes, actually. It is a lot less meally mouthed than the "i don't support the death penalty but won't mind when this guy gets it" b.s. several posters (including you) stated previously.

It's entirely possible to oppose the death penalty as an institution because of its chance to kill innocents, while not having a single qualm about - as long as it's legal - it being applied to mass murderers where there is zero doubt about their guilt.

I believe executing killers is completely morally justifiable, yet I'd be happy if it went away simply because I don't trust the states to apply it, personally.

That's at least somewhat reasonable. the rub is that prohibition means in all cases, no matter how henious and deserving, requires telling victims' families their loved one's kileer will live out his days.

I oppose the death penalty because of the act itself, not its consequence. I don't think that the State has the right to take a human being's life. That doesn't mean I actively wish criminals to continue living. I wouldn't shed a tear for Roof if he was sentenced to death, just like I wouldn't shed a tear if he was struck by lightning or hanged himself in his cell. I am completely indifferent to his fate. It's only the act of killing I oppose.

Is that clear enough for you?

Clearly pussyfooted. If you oppose the death penalty you oppose it just as strongly against the Dylann Roofs of the world as the construct of the framed victim of race and privilege, etc.

That's not what I said. Learn to read.

You, and numerous others in this thread, claim to adamently oppose the death penalty as barbaric, perpetuating violence, etc., but are at heart basically ok with him eventually being executed. That is not only an implicit admission that in some truly henious cases like this capital punishment is arguably appropriate , but more then a tad hypocritical.

I think this is a matter of semantics.

I think what he meant by reposting the "I won't lose any sleep" post was that he opposes the death penalty, but wants to make it clear that he thinks what Roof did was wrong, and doesn't want anyone to conflate that with defending this killer.

At least that's why I reposted it. Now I see I should have made my stance more clear from the get-go.