DC Unrest Megathread

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Finally a real concession; I'm surprised. Or at least close as we'll ever get.

I refuse to watch his video.  What does he say, in the way of concession?

No claims he still won, just that he was "protecting democracy" with his legal challenges and then says, "a new administration will be inaugurated January 20th.  My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly and seamless transition of power."

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1347313804334522372

Hawley's book cancelled.

Good, now cancel the rest of his senate term. Schumer needs to get to work expelling him after he takes the majority.

[Ljube]

The video is actually very good. He should have recorded this video on November 6 or 7 when it became clear that he had lost the election.

He should resign now to avoid being impeached and Pence should pardon him.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

The video is actually very good. He should have recorded this video on November 6 or 7 when it became clear that he had lost the election.

He should resign now to avoid being impeached and Pence should pardon him.

Agreed, it's about as presidential as Trump gets.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Pence should absolutely not pardon him. Presidents shouldn’t magically get to avoid consequences for their behavior.

[Estrella]

This is speech is gonna be enough for Republicans. Safe to say there will be no invoking of 25th after this.

[Middle-aged Europe]

The video is actually very good. He should have recorded this video on November 6 or 7 when it became clear that he had lost the election.

He should resign now to avoid being impeached and Pence should pardon him.

Agreed, it's about as presidential as Trump gets.

It only required numerous calls for impeachment/removal (incl. from a couple of Republican politicians), several resignations within his administration and Facebook/Instagram/Twitter locking his accounts to get him there. Congrats!

[tallguy23]

The video is basic. It's too little too late. Get him out now.

[Inmate Trump]

The video is actually very good. He should have recorded this video on November 6 or 7 when it became clear that he had lost the election.

He should resign now to avoid being impeached and Pence should pardon him.

Agreed, it's about as presidential as Trump gets.

There is nothing presidential about him; he's a terrorist, and an admitted one who encouraged and praised acts of violence against the nation.

There is nothing he can say or do now to make up for that.

[bagelman]

Last line clear hint for 2024. If he truly does leave office on January 20th and nothing weird happens again then that's his plan.

[Inmate Trump]

Last line clear hint for 2024. If he truly does leave office on January 20th and nothing weird happens again then that's his plan.

And I guarantee you the blue avatars condemning him now will gladly vote for him again in 2024, because "muh Biden," or "muh Kamala," or whatever else.

[Ljube]

Last line clear hint for 2024. If he truly does leave office on January 20th and nothing weird happens again then that's his plan.

This is why he needs to be impeached and convicted. Or facing conviction, convinced to resign.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

Last line clear hint for 2024. If he truly does leave office on January 20th and nothing weird happens again then that's his plan.

And that is why he must be impeached and convicted. We cannot allow any chance for him to inflict his terror upon our country from the highest office in the land again.

[RFK Jr.’s Brain Worm]

It would’ve been a good video if it had been released two months ago.

Doesn’t change my mind that we need to remove him via the impeachment process or the 25th.

[Democratic Hawk]

This is speech is gonna be enough for Republicans. Safe to say there will be no invoking of 25th after this.

Wonder if the proverbial gun has been put to his head? It's this or the 25th Amendment.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Not sure if this has been posted yet; it seems it was deleted and then reposted:

https://twitter.com/RepDianaDeGette/status/1347334507985309696

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

https://twitter.com/kristin__wilson/status/1347328325019164680

F

[Non Swing Voter]

https://twitter.com/PinYoungActress/status/1347291244699951105

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Last line clear hint for 2024. If he truly does leave office on January 20th and nothing weird happens again then that's his plan.

And I guarantee you the blue avatars condemning him now will gladly vote for him again in 2024, because "muh Biden," or "muh Kamala," or whatever else.

Nope, I won't. "Fool me once, can't fool me again!" - GWB

[bagelman]

Last line clear hint for 2024. If he truly does leave office on January 20th and nothing weird happens again then that's his plan.

And I guarantee you the blue avatars condemning him now will gladly vote for him again in 2024, because "muh Biden," or "muh Kamala," or whatever else.

If that comes to pass, they will be joined by tens of millions of voters, including the majority of voters from Ohio, Iowa, and Florida.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1347342276901490688?s=21

[Non Swing Voter]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1347342276901490688?s=21

Don't know his usual politics but this seems big.

[Inmate Trump]

Last line clear hint for 2024. If he truly does leave office on January 20th and nothing weird happens again then that's his plan.

And I guarantee you the blue avatars condemning him now will gladly vote for him again in 2024, because "muh Biden," or "muh Kamala," or whatever else.

Nope, I won't. "Fool me once, can't fool me again!" - GWB

I'm gonna hold you to that

Honestly, I do know everyone is mad...but I also know the average person has a short memory, especially when it comes to politics.  So, again, Imma hold you to it

[Calthrina950]

Capitol police has charged the following 14 people in relation with yesterday's events:


Unlawful Entry:
Leonard Guthrie, Cape May, N.J.
John Anderson, St. Augustine, Fla.
Matthew Council, Riverview, Fla.
Bradley Ruskelas, Inverness, Ill.
Michael Curzio, Summerfield, Fla
Cindy Fitchett, Cobbs Creek, Va.
Terry Brown, Myerstown, Pa.
Douglas Sweet, Hudgins, Va.
Thomas Gallagher, Bridgewater, N.H.
Zandra Sixkiller-Cramer, Glenwood, Md.

Assaulting a Police Officer, Unlawful Entry, Resisting Arrest:
Mark Leffingerwell, No fixed address

CPWL & Unregistered ammunition:
Grant Moore, Buford, Ga.

CPWL, Unregistered Firearm, Unregistered Ammunition:
Lonnie Zoffman, Falkville, Al.

Assaulting a Police Officer:
David Blair, Clarksburg, Md.

Very disappointed to see someone from Inverness on this list. I used to live very close to there.

crazy people live everywhere.  Is this really news? 

Of course, crazy people live everywhere, but that doesn't mean one cannot condemn them or express their disappointment about them. Now, I have a question of my own. Do you hold Trump responsible for what happened yesterday? If not, why?

I categorically condemn what happened yesterday as an unlawful disruption of the proceedings of our Constitutional government.  I believe Trump's rhetoric has enabled certain agitators to be more bold and brazen than they otherwise would have been.  He deserves criticism not only for this rhetoric but especially for a slow and lax response yesterday that allowed the situation to spiral into violence and anarchy.   He is no commander-in-chief, and he cannot be trusted to enforce the rule of law over his final 13 days in office.  For that, he must be removed from office ASAP.   

Yesterday's events are an abject law enforcement failure on behalf of the U.S. Capitol Police, who failed to maintain a secure perimeter around our Capitol while both houses of Congress were convened inside.  The first priority should be a thorough investigation into why a secure perimeter around the Capitol was not maintained as well as ensuring enhanced security in advance of the January 20th inauguration.  What happened is, above all, a law enforcement issue - not a matter of rebellion or national insurrection. 

I also believe everyone saw what they wanted to yesterday.  If you already believed Trump and his supporters to be fascist demagogues, as many have for 4+ years, then you probably interpret what happened yesterday as nothing short of an attempt to overthrow our government:  an insurrection, a coup, a literal terrorist attack.  If you believe in "law and order," then you see what happened at the Capitol yesterday as no worse than the chaos and anarchy that overtook multiple American cities for weeks on end this past summer.  I happen to lean more towards the latter interpretation.

There is something stomach-churning to watching MSM talking heads, establishment politicians, and F500 execs all aghast at yesterday's property damage when they hand-waved or even celebrated the same when it was being done in the name of "racial justice."  They say this is an attack on our "democracy" but make no mistake, their indignation results from what they perceive to be an attack on a system that has been built to personally enrich and benefit themselves.  They have no similar concern for democracy or the rule of law when lawless criminals enforce their will upon citizens living in our inner-cities and loot from our neighbors.  They are speaking only for themselves; unfortunately, there is no one speaking for the business owners and shopkeepers who saw their livelihoods decimated -- first by COVID-19 lockdowns and then by looting/rioting done in the name of BLM.       

Yesterday, all of the nuance Democrats have insisted on when separating "peaceful protesters" and "rioters" went out the window as soon as the partisan roles were reversed.  You've read it here on the Forum and seen it spoken by Members of Congress, the liberal orthodoxy is now that every single Trump supporter is complicit in a treasonous attempt to overthrow our government.  That is not the language of reconciliation.  Our country will be worse off if the partisan response is to replace perceived grievance with actual grievance.

I'm glad to see that you no longer support Trump, that you wish for his immediate removal from office, and that you are appalled by what took place. However, I'm not sure if I agree with your arguments concerning how "Democrats" are acting as hypocrites with regards to this attack on the U.S. Capitol. I don't view it that way. I've made clear before my opposition to political and civil violence in all of its forms, and I'm certainly not supportive of the BLM riots which took place last summer.

However, this attack against the Capitol was an insurrection, an act of heinous sedition and even of treason that cannot be condoned, and should not be condoned. Something like this has not happened before in our history, not even during the Civil War. Furthermore, many Republicans are greatly upset by this, and have either called for the 25th Amendment to be invoked or are open to considering Trump's impeachment. This is a sea change from how they responded to the Mueller Report and the Ukraine Scandal. And it is one for the better.

[Crumpets]

The video is actually very good. He should have recorded this video on November 6 or 7 when it became clear that he had lost the election.

He should resign now to avoid being impeached and Pence should pardon him.

Agreed, it's about as presidential as Trump gets.

Today is the day Trump became President.