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jeron
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« on: June 08, 2017, 04:04:04 PM »

She gambled and it backfired. That is the second Tory prime minister who's made an enormous mistake
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jeron
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2017, 04:07:55 PM »

If this is accurate, this means a big Labour rebound in Scotland, correct?

Yes, Labour up 34 and SNP down 22. Probably some swings from SNP to LibDem as well
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jeron
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2017, 04:16:19 PM »

so..... Cons+UUP+DUP government or a 'progressive alliance' of everybody with Sinn Fein taking seats to block the conservatives.

Exit polls means CON/DUP/UUP is short of a majority.
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jeron
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2017, 04:33:08 PM »

so..... Cons+UUP+DUP government or a 'progressive alliance' of everybody with Sinn Fein taking seats to block the conservatives.

Exit polls means CON/DUP/UUP is short of a majority.

But perhaps not if Sinn Fein doesn't count. As I said, every seat would matter with this result.

Maybe, Sinn Fein had 4 seats, DUP 8 and UUP 2. If that stays the same it means 324-322 for Con-DUP-UUP. Losing only one by-election means the majority would be gone even without Sinn Fein.
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jeron
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2017, 04:52:13 PM »


Bad, exit polls give the Tories a 77% chance of winning her seat.
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jeron
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2017, 05:02:02 PM »
« Edited: June 08, 2017, 05:04:25 PM by jeron »


Labour vote up from 19,000 to 24,000. Swing to Labour smaller than expected.
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jeron
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2017, 05:05:30 PM »
« Edited: June 08, 2017, 05:08:15 PM by jeron »

Results in Newcastle substantially better for Tories, according to BBC.

Better than you'd expect based on the exit polls, but by no means good enough
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jeron
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2017, 05:11:53 PM »
« Edited: June 08, 2017, 05:14:17 PM by jeron »

Results in Newcastle substantially better for Tories, according to BBC.

Better than you'd expect based on the exit polls, but by no means good enough

Well... it's not good for Labour either.


No, but it's still better than the result in Sunderland. It's too early for the bigger picture anyway
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jeron
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2017, 05:16:17 PM »


You can't say that on the basis of two constituencies , for goodness sake!
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jeron
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2017, 06:20:21 PM »

Rumors are that Kensington is tight between LAB and CON

Rumour has it that Labour is winning, which would be really bad news for the Tories and it would confirm that Labour fares better in remain areas. It is also in line with the YouGov prediction which had it as toss up.
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jeron
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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2017, 06:38:48 PM »

Given these swings then where are the LIB  going to gain seats to get up to double digits ?

Scotland (Edinburgh West, East Dunbartonshire), Kingston and Surbiton, Bath
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jeron
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2017, 06:48:44 PM »

Given these swings then where are the LIB  going to gain seats to get up to double digits ?

Scotland (Edinburgh West, East Dunbartonshire), Kingston and Surbiton, Bath

How about Cambridge? Or is that looking safer for Labour now?

Given what's happened in other student-heavy seats, I would guess Labour hold in Cambridge.

Also Twickenham not mentioned in that list but probably the most likely Lib Dem gain.

Rumors that Caithness could go back to the Lib Dems, too.

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about Vince Cable.

 I'd be surprised if LibDem takes Cambridge from Lab.
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jeron
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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2017, 06:54:26 PM »

George Osborne has apparently confirmed that the Conservatives have lost Croydon and Battersea.
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jeron
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2017, 01:48:32 AM »

UKIP voters screwed the Tories tonight and for they are big fools as they voted for a far right candidate in 2015 and then far left in 2017.


If UKIP voted torie we would have had the tories up to 350 seats maybe instead of 319 .

Well, they came from Labour to begin with so why would they vote Tory now?
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jeron
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2017, 01:56:22 AM »

Seriously, I'm no expert on British elections, but when's the last time the Torie's had this many seats in Scotland?

1983

Shocked since the Thatcher slide? Damn! I repeat my earlier question. What happened?  Huh
In a word: Indy Ref detoxified the Tory brand in Scotland.

In part, it were leave areas now swinging to the Tories. Banff and Buchan was majority leave. Gordon was about 45% leave. There are probably people as well who don't want another indy referendum and now voted Conservative.
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jeron
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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2017, 01:59:49 AM »

UKIP voters screwed the Tories tonight and for they are big fools as they voted for a far right candidate in 2015 and then far left in 2017.


If UKIP voted torie we would have had the tories up to 350 seats maybe instead of 319 .

Well, they came from Labour to begin with so why would they vote Tory now?


One of their founding members was Nigel Farage who came from the tories: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage#Early_years

But much of the voter base came from Labour.

That's what I meant. Brexit is not the only issue. On economic and social issues these voters are much closer to Labour than the Conservatives, they voted in their best interest. The real fool today is Theresa May.
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jeron
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2017, 03:21:48 AM »

Kensington is having a third recount later today; count suspended for now

They think about doing the recount tomorrow.

It's ridicoulous really. All three counts have had Labour in the lead and now the Tories want a third recount. I can understand it's a hard thing to swallow, but they'll have to accept it eventually.
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jeron
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2017, 03:58:52 AM »

So the Tories are actually one or two seats up on labor in Scotland. When is the last time that happened?

1955? Conservatives 36 seats, Labour 34
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