Islamic conference says homosexuality is -- okay?!?!?

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Gays have sex because it feels good; doing cocaine feels good but that doesn't mean your nose was specifically meant for snorting cocaine. From an evolutionary perspective the purpose of sex is procreation, to further one's species. If you don't understand that then you're too stupid for me to continue this exchange.

Biology doesn't have intentions.  Biology has ends to actions.  Having heterosexual sex has the ends of reproduction.  Biology wires us to desire reproduction, at base, but not everybody does, and we don't at other opportunity.  Biology also wires us to seek pleasure (like as an incentive to have sex) but that doesn't mean we are "intended" to do cocaine.  You can't grant intentions to biology.  It often correlates to things that encourage reproduction (as you'd expect, since if you reproduce, you're more likely to pass on your traits) but the concept of "biology" couldn't give less of a crap whether we all died out.

None of this has anything to do with "normal," by the way, and if you think it does, you're anthropomorphizing biology.

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Gays have sex because it feels good; doing cocaine feels good but that doesn't mean your nose was specifically meant for snorting cocaine. From an evolutionary perspective the purpose of sex is procreation, to further one's species. If you don't understand that then you're too stupid for me to continue this exchange.

Biology doesn't have intentions.  Biology has ends to actions.  Having heterosexual sex has the ends of reproduction.  Biology wires us to desire reproduction, at base, but not everybody does, and we don't at other opportunity.  Biology also wires us to seek pleasure (like as an incentive to have sex) but that doesn't mean we are "intended" to do cocaine.  You can't grant intentions to biology.  It often correlates to things that encourage reproduction (as you'd expect, since if you reproduce, you're more likely to pass on your traits) but the concept of "biology" couldn't give less of a crap whether we all died out.

None of this has anything to do with "normal," by the way, and if you think it does, you're anthropomorphizing biology.

No one said anything about intentions. Our bodies have evolved with each part performing a certain function. For some reason or another, there are two genders, and that's been the case since before we could even have complex social constructions. Since sex is the way children are made, and sex is required between a man and a woman to procreate our species, then that's the default setting. To stray from that isn't wrong, and I can't begin to know, as I doubt anybody can, how the brain is wired or why we do the things we do. That's just the way it is.

You said "meant."  Meant by whom?  Most of us are wired to have a drive to heterosexual sex.  Why?  Because that biological urge is useful in procreation, and those who procreate pass their genes on, and secondarily behaviors.  Your statement that "biologically the purpose of sex is procreation" also implies intention.  Biologically, sex is the means to the ends of procreation, and sex (and arguably procreation) are drives that are normal among humans.  Unless "biologically" is redefined to mean "the purpose of procreating," biology doesn't much dictate purposes of actions -- it just happens that this one can result in the biological function of reproduction, or not.

This isn't a claim that was contradicted by the poster you were arguing with, anyway, since he was talking about sexual orientation as a social construct.

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Gays have sex because it feels good; doing cocaine feels good but that doesn't mean your nose was specifically meant for snorting cocaine. From an evolutionary perspective the purpose of sex is procreation, to further one's species. If you don't understand that then you're too stupid for me to continue this exchange.

Biology doesn't have intentions.  Biology has ends to actions.  Having heterosexual sex has the ends of reproduction.  Biology wires us to desire reproduction, at base, but not everybody does, and we don't at other opportunity.  Biology also wires us to seek pleasure (like as an incentive to have sex) but that doesn't mean we are "intended" to do cocaine.  You can't grant intentions to biology.  It often correlates to things that encourage reproduction (as you'd expect, since if you reproduce, you're more likely to pass on your traits) but the concept of "biology" couldn't give less of a crap whether we all died out.

None of this has anything to do with "normal," by the way, and if you think it does, you're anthropomorphizing biology.

No one said anything about intentions. Our bodies have evolved with each part performing a certain function. For some reason or another, there are two genders, and that's been the case since before we could even have complex social constructions. Since sex is the way children are made, and sex is required between a man and a woman to procreate our species, then that's the default setting. To stray from that isn't wrong, and I can't begin to know, as I doubt anybody can, how the brain is wired or why we do the things we do. That's just the way it is.

You said "meant."  Meant by whom?  Most of us are wired to have a drive to heterosexual sex.  Why?  Because that biological urge is useful in procreation, and those who procreate pass their genes on, and secondarily behaviors.  Your statement that "biologically the purpose of sex is procreation" also implies intention.  Biologically, sex is the means to the ends of procreation, and sex (and arguably procreation) are drives that are normal among humans.  Unless "biologically" is redefined to mean "the purpose of procreating," biology doesn't much dictate purposes of actions -- it just happens that this one can result in the biological function of reproduction, or not.

This isn't a claim that was contradicted by the poster you were arguing with, anyway, since he was talking about sexual orientation as a social construct.

I never used the word "Biology". All I said was that speaking in terms of evolution, we have evolved to reproduce through heterosexual sex. To further our evolution as a species heterosexual sex is required.

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Biologically sexual activity is meant for procreation, and that certainly isn't a social construction.

Technically you didn't use "biology," but unless you're being really pedantic here.