Italy 2013: The official thread

[Andrea]

Results for run offs and Sicilian first rounds today.

At 10 PM last night turnout was dreadful in some places. On average it's at 33.87% for run offs compared to 42.38% 2 weeks ago.

[Andrea]

La7 Instant Poll gives a 60-40% split in Marino's favour in Rome. Piepoli's poll has a 55-45 split

Turnout in 40s.

[Keystone Phil]

Yeah, I was just coming here to post that.

[Keystone Phil]

It's now up to 64%-36%.

[Andrea]

Siena  was very close at one point. Now with 35 polling places out of 50 counted, PD is leading 52.7% to 48.3%. It should be enough to hang on

PD to gain Brescia, Treviso and Viterbo.

Ahead 53 to 47% in Lodi with over 2/3 counted.

Big lead for PD in Ancona. Barletta too last time I checked

PD gain Imperia with 76% of the vote!!

[Keystone Phil]

Wow. How does the center-right almost gain Siena but get blown out elsewhere?

[Andrea]

Wow. How does the center-right almost gain Siena but get blown out elsewhere?

The Monte dei Paschi banking scandal in Siena.

[Andrea]

Brescia
CL 56.53% CR 43.47%
Turnout 59.27%

Lodi
CL 53.62% CR 46.38%
Turnout 53.08%

Treviso
CL 55.5% CR 44.5%
Turnout 58.61%

Imperia
CL 76.14 CR 23.86
Turnout 52.98

Siena
CL 52% CR 48%
Turnout 54.97%

Ancona
CL 62.59 CR 37.41
Turnout 41.97

Rome
CL 63.93 CR 36.07
Turnout 45.05

Viterbo
CL 62.86 CR 37.14
Turnout 50.59

Avellino
CL 60.57 CR 39.43
Turnout 53.91

Barletta
CL 62.89 CR 37.11
Turnout 49.44

Iglesias
CL 51.68 CR 48.32
Turnout 57.81%

Waiting for Sicily now....

[Keystone Phil]

Wow. How does the center-right almost gain Siena but get blown out elsewhere?

The Monte dei Paschi banking scandal in Siena.

Oh right. Still would have been funny to see all of these center-left wins but a loss in Tuscany, of all places.

[Keystone Phil]

Supposedly, one of the Siena candidates in the first round was a former PdL councilman that told his voters not to vote in the second round. He received 2,000 votes in the first round. The center-right lost the runoff by just 1,000.

[MaxQue]

Waiting for Sicily now....

Doesn't seem better for the right.

[Antonio the Sixth]

16/16! That's good to see.

Though of course it changes nothing to the fact Italy is screwed.

[MaxQue]

16/16! That's good to see.

Though of course it changes nothing to the fact Italy is screwed.

Well, M5S seems to be exploding and the left will have another chance to get together at the fall.

[Keystone Phil]

National polls aren't looking any better for the center-left though. Of course, Renzi as the leader will likely change all of that but we'll see.

[RogueBeaver]

M5S imploding? That's fantastic news but PD has to capitalize on that properly.

[MaxQue]

In English, Grillo insulting Rodota: http://www.gazzettadelsud.it/news/english/48517/Grillo-slams-5-Star-Movement-s-presidential-candidate.html
In Italian, MPs leaving the party: http://www.repubblica.it/politica/2013/06/07/news/m5s_di_maio_basta_gossippari_a_montecitorio-60571133/

And municipal results are quite bad, compared to April.

[Andrea]

Bianco took back Catania for PD.

Maybe PD got Messina in first round too. They claim to be at 50.02 in their unofficial count. So things can change a bit once official figures will be released. PdL eliminated anyway.

Ragusa is a PD-M5S run off.

Official PDL eliminated in Siracusa too. A local list with some PDL splinters go to the run off with PD

[Zanas]

Were all these councils PD-favored to begin with ? Because it seems odd that with the national polling going on and what we know of the situation the PdL wasn't able to gain a single one of all these. O_o'

[Andrea]

PD candidate at 49.94% in Messina in the end. So run off required. He's well ahead of the other candidate but he has performed much worse than the lists supporting him.

Were all these councils PD-favored to begin with ? Because it seems odd that with the national polling going on and what we know of the situation the PdL wasn't able to gain a single one of all these. O_o'

Imperia, Treviso, Brescia, Viterbo and Rome were PD gains.

Some of them were Right strongholds (Imperia, Treviso, Viterbo). Some others (for ex Brescia and Lodi) are usually pretty marginal at mayoral level.

[Keystone Phil]

At first glance, it does seem strange since PdL has a nice lead nationally and PD is a mess. Plus, I believe the center-left already held most of these but local scandals cost the center-right. Plus, it's been established that while the country will vote for PdL in national elections because of Berlusconi, his influence doesn't trickle down to the local level anymore and relying on Silvio only does so much anyway. You need the party to be more than just him. Supposedly, a lot of these candidates sucked.

[Keystone Phil]

I know it's been hinted at before but Renzi actually said "I will be the new Tony Blair." Wanted to post it here to see some heads spin.

[RogueBeaver]

He must be confident about his level of support, since the left-wingers probably aren't amused by such statements. Otherwise

[Antonio the Sixth]

Considering most Italian leftists are way to the right of Tony Blair, I really don't see the problem.

[jaichind]

June 14 (Bloomberg) -- Democratic Party’s bloc and former premier Berlusconi’s coalition at 34.6%, Trieste, Italy-based SWG pollster says in survey distributed by e-mail.
Berlusconi’s coalition was at 35.5% last week, while center-left bloc including PD was at 31.6%: SWG
Support for Beppe Grillo’s Five Star Movement drops to 17.9% from 19.9% last week: SWG

It seems that Grillo is bleeding votes to PD.

[RogueBeaver]

Berlusconi has been given a 7 year prison sentence and barred from holding public office in the Ruby trial. But of course he'll have endless appeals, and probably won't overly dent his poll numbers either.