AOC is the enemy of the Democratic party

[GoTfan]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

OP has called us the enemy of the Democratic Party.

What happened to the unity you guys wanted? Or is that just when it's convenient?

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

OP has called us the enemy of the Democratic Party.

What happened to the unity you guys wanted? Or is that just when it's convenient?

I can't speak to the OP, but I'm very explicitly endorsing unity. And part of that means sticking to the script leadership gives you--it's a two-way street.

(Also, OP called AOC the enemy of the Democratic party, not you. Let's not make things up.)

[GALeftist]

Y'all, can we please keep it together just until the Georgia runoffs are decided? I will be more than happy to have it out with you milquetoast DINO centrists the second those races are called but if we alienate one another now than neither of our groups is getting any policy passed for probably the better part of a decade.

I hate Spanberger as much as y'all hate AOC, but the enemy of the Democratic Party is the Republican Party. I'm surprised this even needs to be said, it seems blindingly obvious to me. The Republicans are wayyy farther from all Democrats ideologically than any two Democrats are far from one another. The Republicans all seem to understand this, why can't we?

[GoTfan]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

OP has called us the enemy of the Democratic Party.

What happened to the unity you guys wanted? Or is that just when it's convenient?

I can't speak to the OP, but I'm very explicitly endorsing unity. And part of that means sticking to the script leadership gives you--it's a two-way street.

(Also, OP called AOC the enemy of the Democratic party, not you. Let's not make things up.)

Declaring her the enemy pretty strongly implies her supporters are the enemy too.

[Hammy]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

I'll agree on this--the progressive wing absolutely has to make their narrative more palatable--polling shows an overwhelming majority supports these policies, they just have to demonstrate that what they're proposing aren't some alternative concepts to what the public supports.

[lfromnj]

I do wonder if Cisneros primaried Cuellar if she would have lost this year.

[WD]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

[GoTfan]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

[WD]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

[GoTfan]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

Oh? Forgive me, then. Usually when moderates attack AOC, they also either explcitly, or implictly (as OP as done) attack anyone who supports her as well.

[BudgieForce]

Can the center-left and the left just be happy we beat Trump? Even for just a few weeks? We don't need to rehash the same fight over and over again.

[GALeftist]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

This seems somewhat ironic from a group claiming that the losses it just took were the result of progressives. They were the victims of progressivism, one might say.

[WD]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

Oh? Forgive me, then. Usually when moderates attack AOC, they also either explcitly, or implictly (as OP as done) attack anyone who supports her as well.

No one is attacking her supporters lmao. The issue is her and others, poor messaging which is hurting Democrats in swing districts.

[GoTfan]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

Oh? Forgive me, then. Usually when moderates attack AOC, they also either explcitly, or implictly (as OP as done) attack anyone who supports her as well.

No one is attacking her supporters lmao. The issue is her and others, poor messaging which is hurting Democrats in swing districts.

Correct me if i'm wrong,  but didn't you guys actually lose swing districts? And didn't we win ours?

[Coolface Sock #42069]

Glad to see this feud is still alive and well.

[DrScholl]

Her seat could be gone in redistricting which is probably for the best if she's going to attack other Democrats just for the sake of doing it. These pointless feuds do nothing to help the party.

[coloradocowboi]

All of this started with Spanberger having an absolute meltdown and swearing like a teenage girl because she ran a s**tty election campaign and wanted to scapegoat "socialism."

On the same night Florida passed a 15$ minimum wage, it voted for Trump over Biden. I wonder how well Biden would've done if he had ran on his economic differences with Trump instead of running away from them only to get tarred as a "socialist" anyway? Let's remember here that he underperformed Andrew f'ing Gillum in this race, a Black progressive, and in a much higher turnout and Dem friendly environment.

The DNC ran a culture-obsessed campaign to "restore America's soul" allowing kulturkampf conservatives to rally rednecks everywhere, and didn't even try to make an economic argument to those country bumpkins. They ran a campaign tying ppl like Collins and Tillis to Trump, while simultaneously trying to appeal to the "decency" of the very voters who elected them in the first place. And now, all of you moderate keyboard warriors are here to blame AOC and her supporters, the very people who won Biden this election by turning out en force in places like Atlanta and Philadelphia, for the fact that literally nobody but you and the small, elitist, liberal culture you belong to wants neoliberalism. When the "center left" party hemmorhages working class voters to fascism, the takeaway isn't to reject progressive, redistributive economic policies in favor of austerity. That is an absurd and delusional thing to think, but then again so is pretty much any ideology that thinks that the Democrats are anything more than a corrupt, oligarch-run, incompetent mess.

AOC is not an enemy of the Democratic party. But she should really reconsider that position because the Democrats are just the inept tool of coastal elites, and are about as dangerous for this country as the GOP.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

OP has called us the enemy of the Democratic Party.

What happened to the unity you guys wanted? Or is that just when it's convenient?

I can't speak to the OP, but I'm very explicitly endorsing unity. And part of that means sticking to the script leadership gives you--it's a two-way street.

I can sympathise with this in principle but the reason why anti-establishment Reps. are valued is because it's been clear for decades that the scriptwriters can't be trusted. If it was genuinely all about electability, they would not be running candidates like Shalala to begin with.

[T'Chenka]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

In the heat of elections, yeah sure. But that's over now. You're a good poster, but your argument "internal disagreements should not make it's way to the press" is absolute garbage IMO. AOC and the progressives need to VOTERS to help them grow within the party, and the voters need to see what the disagreements are. If all they have are internal discussions, how is a small minority supposed to ever stand up meaningfully to the establishment? Progressives only have the power to grow and to check / threaten the establishment if the voters are involved.

[WD]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

Oh? Forgive me, then. Usually when moderates attack AOC, they also either explcitly, or implictly (as OP as done) attack anyone who supports her as well.

No one is attacking her supporters lmao. The issue is her and others, poor messaging which is hurting Democrats in swing districts.

Correct me if i'm wrong,  but didn't you guys actually lose swing districts? And didn't we win ours?

Wow, winning Minneapolis and the Bronx? How impressive. Messaging by people like AOC makes it much easier for the GOP to scaremonger and tie incumbents in swing districts to unpopular policies. That’s part of the reason why they lose. “Defund the police” and “Abolish Ice” doesn’t win votes.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Attacking AOC isn't helpful. The Democrats should be a big tent. There's an AOC wing and there's a Conor Lamb wing. They can both coexist.

That's true but we have to have unified messaging. Internal disagreement should not make it's way to the press--let along happen on Twitter. Disagreement with leadership should be saved for personal conversations. Words that don't help move their agenda forwards and make great fodder for Republican ads like "abolish", "Democratic-socialist", and "defund" should be completely blacklisted. Is it really too much to ask every representative to stick to their talking points?

In the heat of elections, yeah sure. But that's over now. You're a good poster, but your argument "internal disagreements should not make it's way to the press" is absolute garbage IMO. AOC and the progressives need to VOTERS to help them grow within the party, and the voters need to see what the disagreements are. If all they have are internal discussions, how is a small minority supposed to ever stand up meaningfully to the establishment? Progressives only have the power to grow and to check / threaten the establishment if the voters are involved.

GEORGIA

[VBM]

Moderates let Republicans win the framing war on every progressive issue because they make no effort to defend those policies, and then are angry when it turns out that a lot of people have bought into the vilification of progressive policies

[GoTfan]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

Oh? Forgive me, then. Usually when moderates attack AOC, they also either explcitly, or implictly (as OP as done) attack anyone who supports her as well.

No one is attacking her supporters lmao. The issue is her and others, poor messaging which is hurting Democrats in swing districts.

Correct me if i'm wrong,  but didn't you guys actually lose swing districts? And didn't we win ours?

Wow, winning Minneapolis and the Bronx? How impressive. Messaging by people like AOC makes it much easier for the GOP to scaremonger and tie incumbents in swing districts to unpopular policies. That’s part of the reason why they lose. “Defund the police” and “Abolish Ice” doesn’t win votes.

Golden, Kirkpatrick, Levin and Porter who co-sponsored Medicare for All were all just re-elected, so . . .

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

Oh? Forgive me, then. Usually when moderates attack AOC, they also either explcitly, or implictly (as OP as done) attack anyone who supports her as well.

No one is attacking her supporters lmao. The issue is her and others, poor messaging which is hurting Democrats in swing districts.

Correct me if i'm wrong,  but didn't you guys actually lose swing districts? And didn't we win ours?

Wow, winning Minneapolis and the Bronx? How impressive. Messaging by people like AOC makes it much easier for the GOP to scaremonger and tie incumbents in swing districts to unpopular policies. That’s part of the reason why they lose. “Defund the police” and “Abolish Ice” doesn’t win votes.

So that makes us your enemy then?

I assume you'll have no objections to us starting a third party and peeling away Democratic votes?

Silence, Republican!

[GoTfan]

Moderates before the elecrion: Unity! Heal the wounds! Bind the nation! MUH COALITION!!!!

Moderates after the election: AOC AND HER SUPPORTERS MUST BE THROWN INTO THE CAMPS

OP literally called us the enemy of the Democratic Party but whatever.

Who is “us”? OP is clearly talking about AOC. I swear, you guys on the left have such a victim complex, it’s unbelievable.

Oh? Forgive me, then. Usually when moderates attack AOC, they also either explcitly, or implictly (as OP as done) attack anyone who supports her as well.

No one is attacking her supporters lmao. The issue is her and others, poor messaging which is hurting Democrats in swing districts.

Correct me if i'm wrong,  but didn't you guys actually lose swing districts? And didn't we win ours?

Wow, winning Minneapolis and the Bronx? How impressive. Messaging by people like AOC makes it much easier for the GOP to scaremonger and tie incumbents in swing districts to unpopular policies. That’s part of the reason why they lose. “Defund the police” and “Abolish Ice” doesn’t win votes.

So that makes us your enemy then?

I assume you'll have no objections to us starting a third party and peeling away Democratic votes?

Silence, Republican!

Hmm . . . Nah.