French presidential election, 2022

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I also think it's better Le Pen gets elected, because I really am afraid of a different RN or Zemmour getting elected. I also think it's better if all of Europe take some distance from France, just like we do with Hungary.

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Mélenchon had his latest antisemitic outburst (posting it before a certain other one does because its his favorite pinyata).

Un procès que le leader de la France Insoumise a récusé, avec un argumentaire qui l'a exposé à de très vives critiques. «Il reproduit beaucoup de scénarios culturels (du judaïsme) : “on ne change rien à la tradition, on ne bouge pas, oh mon dieu la créolisation quelle horreur...” Et tout ça, ce sont des traditions qui sont beaucoup liées au judaïsme. Ça a ses mérites, ça lui a permis de survivre dans l'histoire...», a cru bon de plaider le député LFI du Sud-Est.

Really sad that this clown gets the most exposure out of the Left candidates because of his role as useful idiot for the Establishment and the far right.

If i were French or had voting rights, i would not vote for Melenchon in the first round, far better candidates. I like Hidalgo and Roussel the most.

I don't like Macron a lot because of his foreign policy recently (the submarine discussion, now the fishing rights of British people). But i'd not vote for Zemmour as a vote against Macron. Macron - Le Pen i'm more unsure of who i would support. I actually dislike both Zemmour, Macron, Le Pen and the LR candidate, but i'd probably give Le Pen most the benefit of the doubt out of those four.

Melenchon has an enormous ego, an enormous ego and is a disgusting person, even if i'm far-left myself. At this point, if i would vote for him, i would have to hold my nose and it would be a lesser evil of the evil votes, but Melenchon will never get to the second round, and he wouldn't get my vote in the first one.

And at this point, i'd be very unsure whether i would prefer Melenchon or Le Pen, or Melenchon or Macron or Macron or Le Pen. Macron also has a enormous ego. It seems to be typical of the French nation nowadays. He treats African leaders also disrespectfully, sometimes in a Trumpian way.

First round: likely two options left: Hidalgo (PS) or Roussel (PCF), as Jadot... the other left-wing candidate - surprise, surprise - has an enormous ego as well. Probably the reason why the left cannot unite in France, is because of Melenchon, Jadot and radical trotskyist/communist alliances.

PS/PCF are the only two left-wing parties that can cooperate, but they have image and reputation problems, PCF because it's a remnant of the past and nowhere near as relevant as one would like it to be, and PS because of disappointing performances and disappointing presidents in the pasts, as well as the ongoing trends and culture war in Europe.

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Melenchon is a disgusting person. Would never root for him under any circumstances (unless he faces Zemmour).

Is it already possible to say that Macron will have one of the places in the runoff and the other place is contested by Pecresse, Le Pen, Zemmour and Melenchon?

Feels like a pretty optimistic argument from Melenchon to consider he’s got a chance of finishing in the top 2, even top 4 seems unlikely at this point.

It's likelier he will finish below 5% than get to the top 2. He got his chance in 2017. Problem is that Jadot isn't better than Melenchon and is likely together with Melenchon the only one who has a shot at finishing above 5% (and maybe Hidalgo but wouldn't place bets on that).

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It's very hard to have a favorite candidate in this election.
There are Macron, the far-right candidates, and the best performing left-wing candidate, Melenchon, supported protests against the vaccine pass.

It's a disgusting field, and in fact the youth is being discriminated against, as in a lot of western countries but seeing the post here above a few posts above in fact, we need a "big shock" in order to win our rights. It's not okay that retirees earn more money than younger generations who cannot even afford to pay a housing... than they become racist because the housing all go to refugees and immigrants (and 14 of the 15 names have a foreign sounding name) - which is exactly what they tell me.

Like it is disgusting that Pecresse is now the main contendor to beat Macron. Come on... have we all lost our mind.

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Those who think American politics boring because there are only 2 major parties would like French politics. There is a big menu of political parties and ideologies.

And yet people keep voting for the same sh*t

Well, it's a bit like the old cliché about American television isn't it? Countless channels, all of them terrible and with nothing worth watching on.

The benefit is that with today's technology you can ignore television networks, watch whatever you want on Netflix or illegally download something.

But what would be the equivalent of that in a parliamentary democracy?

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https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1491029747027042305

This could be the most humiliating election result for a center-left candidate since the origin of it's ideology on a global scale

-> I'd still back Roussel, i don't care about Melenchonmomentum. I stand with Roussel!

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Which is in inverted commas interested, feels a bit gimmicky and is a bit of an indirect way to get to voting intention. And in any case the traditional pollsters were pretty decent last time round, so is there so much of a need for the sorts of alternative pollsters?

The 18-24 breakdown seems like a sort of exaggerated picture of the trends other pollsters are showing. As in, Jadot and Mélenchon doing consistently better than their national polling; Le Pen and Taubira doing inconsistently better; Macron, Hidalgo and Zemmour normally slightly below their national numbers and Pécresse in a ditch.

So, you know, seems like a marketing job.

They saw the same thing happening in 2017. Melenchon and Greens are popular among young. LR really aren't.

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Can someone explain the controversies of all (major) candidates, especially Roussel & Melenchon.

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Thank you for listing this.

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I would tactically support for Melenchon in first round, but Roussel & Poutou are good candidates too. There's a lot to say about Melenchon, but economical issues are most important to me and Macron would be a suicidal support for me.

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FULL RESULTS MARTINIQUE 2022

JL MELENCHON 53.1%
LE PEN 16.3
MACRON 13.4

2017

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Compared to 2017



Macron down 17, JLM up by 32, Le Pen up by 5

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Together with the fact that some cities (or parts) and foreign resident ballots (not included in turnout) are left to be count, still a possibility that Melenchon makes it but a hard and difficult possibility.



The trend needs to hold till the end.

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Thank y'all Jadot & Roussel & Poutou & Hidalgo voters

Well let's now support Le Pen because she is apparently preferrable over Melu to you. And she has the far better economical program over Macron's and that's the most important thing.

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The liberal left is indeed a joke against the populist right. They’re not allies and don’t represent me. If I were French I would probably be a Melenchon - Abstention voter as well.

Ana Gomes from the socialist party in Portugal appears to be happy about Le Pen going to runoff because it means the “anti-democratic Left” failed. These “center-left” people are moderate neoliberals and fascist enablers. The idea of accepting a primary with them is based on the assumption they’re on a similar-ish side, which they are not. Old left or bust.

Don't call Macron left wing. That's the last thing he is.

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Ruffin 2027 I guess.

Oh i suppose the greens will run again, PCF will run, NPA will run, Macron will say he is a leftist, animalist party will run, a newly feminist party might run, the party of the left-wing agrarians might run, perhaps some kind of left-wing scientific socialist party, the two trotskyist parties, a maoist party and we also need a stalinist party and maybe a digital pirate party or a pro-federal european party. And Taubira will also run because why not.

Some will consider Ruffin too extreme, others will find him too soft. We apparently learned nothing from 2017, nothing.

If Le Pen takes this, may embarassment haunt the faux left till the last of their days.

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Ruffin 2027 I guess.

Oh i suppose the greens will run again, PCF will run, NPA will run, Macron will say he is a leftist, animalist party will run, a newly feminist party might run, the party of the left-wing agrarians might run, perhaps some kind of left-wing scientific socialist party, the two trotskyist parties, a maoist party and we also need a stalinist party and maybe a digital pirate party or a pro-federal european party. And Taubira will also run because why not.

Some will consider Ruffin too extreme, others will find him too soft. We apparently learned nothing from 2017, nothing.

If Le Pen takes this, may embarassment haunt you till the last of your days.

Macron is term-limited.

He'll probably launch an heir or something like that, just like if Biden runs for a second term will launch Harris in 2028, doesn't change anything. You feel not represented in a democracy because of that. The same match up while Le Pen was clearly rejected in 2017...

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Yeah it’s certainly frustrating about Melenchon but as others have said the fact that the numbers for the ‘alternative’ left were so low shows that many of those who didn’t vote for Melenchon very much did so for a reason.

Of course an alternative candidate of the left would have struggled because they would have had Melenchon eating into their vote!

Hopefully it helps to set minds ahead of 2027….

The point about Melenchon is that even if he had made the second round he’d have lost, not because of his economic policies but because of how awful everything else about him is. Personally I think Le Pen would have beaten him, but that’s debatable.

However the spread shows that there is potential for a broad-left candidate to get through in 2027 without the baggage of Melenchon or the PS.

I don't support center left candidates, since center left doesn't support left candidates no matter what.

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lol Zemmour is being investigated because his campaign made a list of all French jews and he bought a list of their phone numbers to target them for his campaign.

Is he antisemitist?

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The only good thing about this election is Jadot & Pecresse failing to get 5%. Now they have to ask people to donate to finance their campaigns. Unfortunately, lots of people will be stupid enough to actually do that.