Trumpcare Megathread: It's dead (for now)

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Repeal and replace with nothing.

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Repeal and replace with nothing.

And watch 23 million people die on the street.

Those people did not die on the street before Obamacare.

Freedom isn't free.

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http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/13/politics/lindsey-graham-bill-cassidy-health-care-plan/index.html

Lindsey Graham proposes block granting Obamacare tax revenues to the states, and said on CNN that "it's pretty hard to take money from the poor to give to the rich" regarding the politics of Obamacare repeal.

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McCain is only a no if the bill is going down anyway, in which case it's unlikely to even go to a vote.

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Half is the country's population would live in a place with no individual insurers by 2020.

They'd better go get jobs, then!

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It would create an environment where insurance companies can deny or outprice whoever they like, and thus lead to mass death from lack of access to health care and insurance.

How exactly is someone dying on the street of benefit to an insurance company?

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It would create an environment where insurance companies can deny or outprice whoever they like, and thus lead to mass death from lack of access to health care and insurance.

How exactly is someone dying on the street of benefit to an insurance company?

They prefer to cover as few sick people as possible.

You said 75%. Sounds like a pretty loose definition of sick to me.

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Trump at a Boy Scouts speech in WV...what a bunch of morons. Premiums will jump by 300% in WV under his sh**t health care bill

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They'll make terrific frat kids.

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I seems the gallery in the Senate is trying to interrupt the vote.
They have been screaming "Kill the Bill and "Shame" over and over again for about 3 minutes now.
LOL.

Someone should start swinging like they do in the Taiwanese Parliament

Honestly, I admire those legislators for their passion.

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Mitch is so awesome.

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McCain delivering a grandstanding speech on partisan politics just after he casts a near party-line vote.

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If only McGinty or Feingold had won.

If only Hillary took voters in either of their states seriously.

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Jeff Merkley just introduced more than a hundred amendments.

https://twitter.com/seungminkim/status/890295327210840065

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FF

God bless these men.

For introducing amendments that they didn't even write and will not make it into the bill?

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If Schumer offered not to run a Democratic candidate against Heller in exchange for permanent no on all ACA repeal votes, would it be a good deal for Democrats?

I'm thinking yes. There's no guarantee of beating him anyway.

This is a horrible idea.

Not if you know one of the millions of lives the scheme would potentially save

Yes, keeping Heller in the Senate will help keep a GOP majority that will appoint conservative justices to overturn Roe v. Wade, which would save millions of lives.

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Senate voting on Daines' single-payer amendment. Sanders and most Democrats voting present, Republicans voting against. Tester and Heitkamp voting Nay.

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Brian Schlub speaking now. What a waste of oxygen.

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Brian Schlub speaking now. What a waste of oxygen.

Remind me again how you are a Democrat?

One of those proud old school racist Deep South ones of course

Upper South*

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Dean Heller's Cadillac tax repeal amendment is on the floor now.

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Paul Ryan playing "just the tip" with GOP Senators. What cucks.

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They are so full of sh**t on the employer mandate.

ACA didn't negatively impact job creation at all, in fact it had the opposite effect.

I'm calling BS on that. How can you logically assert that increasing the cost of hiring employees had a positive effect on job creation? The economy added jobs despite the employer mandate, and perhaps you could even go as far as saying the employer mandate had no meaningful effect on job creation, but it's just unreasonable to say that the employer mandate had a positive effect on job creation.

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They are so full of sh**t on the employer mandate.

ACA didn't negatively impact job creation at all, in fact it had the opposite effect.

I'm calling BS on that. How can you logically assert that increasing the cost of hiring employees had a positive effect on job creation? The economy added jobs despite the employer mandate, and perhaps you could even go as far as saying the employer mandate had no meaningful effect on job creation, but it's just unreasonable to say that the employer mandate had a positive effect on job creation.

The ACA helped fuel entrepreneurship because it allowed people to take risk without worrying about medical bills.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/technology/ct-obamacare-new-start-ups-wp-bsi-20170221-story.html

Are you suggesting that these "entrepreneurs" created more "jobs" than the ones which were not created because of the employer mandate?

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They are so full of sh**t on the employer mandate.

ACA didn't negatively impact job creation at all, in fact it had the opposite effect.

I'm calling BS on that. How can you logically assert that increasing the cost of hiring employees had a positive effect on job creation? The economy added jobs despite the employer mandate, and perhaps you could even go as far as saying the employer mandate had no meaningful effect on job creation, but it's just unreasonable to say that the employer mandate had a positive effect on job creation.

The ACA helped fuel entrepreneurship because it allowed people to take risk without worrying about medical bills.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/technology/ct-obamacare-new-start-ups-wp-bsi-20170221-story.html

Are you suggesting that these "entrepreneurs" created more "jobs" than the ones which were not created because of the employer mandate?

No, I am saying it had a positive impact and allowed people to take a chance.

And the ACA didn't have a negative impact on job creation as a whole. A study on this was released last week.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w23607

You were talking about the employer mandate, not all of Obamacare. I already said that it was possible that the employer mandate did not have a significant effect on job creation. But you suggested the employer mandate had a net positive effect on job creation (which would be the opposite of a net negative effect), which is just logically impossible.

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If you're watching live, the outcome is pretty clear already.

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Besides McCain...we dont know how Capito will vote

Yes we do lol