Will Georgia ever abolish runoffs?
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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2022, 01:35:33 PM »

Dems were screwed by it this year (though it probably won't matter in the end) while Republicans were screwed in 2020.

I don't think it obviously favors either side when it comes to plurality winners in the first round.  I do think it now favors D's in runoff vs. GE vote share, but it clearly favored R's until 2018 or so.
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« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2022, 03:15:50 PM »

I'm surprised the Republican state legislature didn't absolish the runoff last year already after it literally cost them the senate. In the first round, Perdue beat Ossoff by 88k votes, but fell short of a majority with 49.7% of the vote. In almost every other side he would have won, being the 51st Republican seat. Consequently, Biden would have started his term without a senate majority.
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« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2022, 03:18:11 PM »

I'm surprised the Republican state legislature didn't absolish the runoff last year already after it literally cost them the senate. In the first round, Perdue beat Ossoff by 88k votes, but fell short of a majority with 49.7% of the vote. In almost every other side he would have won, being the 51st Republican seat. Consequently, Biden would have started his term without a senate majority.

They generally didn't go anywhere near as far as they could have in terms of pro-R election reforms. 

Also, note that Warnock has already won if they imposed this rule.
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« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2022, 10:41:16 PM »

If Warnock wins by a big enough margin tomorrow, runoffs are going to be done away with.
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« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2022, 11:27:03 PM »

If Warnock wins by a big enough margin tomorrow, runoffs are going to be done away with.
No they won't. GOP will still be favored in non-gubernatorial/non-federal runoffs for a while.
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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2022, 01:21:45 AM »

If any reform along these lines are made, it'll be IRV/"RCV": this will help the GOP absorb a majority of the Libertarian vote into their corner without the need for another election while also not having to face various turnout uncertainties/discrepancies.

I really doubt we'll ever see any outright abolition - as I mentioned before, perhaps a reversion to 45% + 1 vote as was the case during most of the 1990s/early 2000s, but absent that, status quo or IRV/"RCV" are the only other plausible choices.
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2022, 01:26:43 AM »

^^^ It's possible any dissidents could be persuaded just not to protest in such a fashion, thereby throwing the maps to the courts which would probably balance all relevant considerations. It's just a question of whether the GAGOP delegation could offer a better guaranteed deal in exchange for their cooperation.

How about a deal to refer a VA style commission amendment to the voters?  

As with all amendment proposals, it'll require two-thirds of both chambers. Doubtful.
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2022, 12:52:58 PM »

The more people are aware of the segregationist origins of Georgia's run-off system, the more likely it could happen:



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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2022, 05:58:51 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2022, 05:33:13 PM »

Curious as to whether there has ever been accumulating snow (in populated areas outside of the highest mountains) during a GA runoff held since the VRA?  If that ever happens, I imagine it would be the end of the runoff system.
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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2022, 06:14:57 AM »

Both Warnock and Walker received fewer votes in the "runoff" than in the General. If the candidates had been flipped, we would have a situation where the candidate who won the most votes ended up losing.

Georgia-style runoffs are undemocratic. Just switch to the Maine, Alaska or California system.
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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2022, 06:31:49 PM »

Both Warnock and Walker received fewer votes in the "runoff" than in the General. If the candidates had been flipped, we would have a situation where the candidate who won the most votes ended up losing.

Georgia-style runoffs are undemocratic. Just switch to the Maine, Alaska or California system.

Or even better just implement full on RCV for congressional and gubernatorial races.
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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2022, 07:20:23 PM »

Both Warnock and Walker received fewer votes in the "runoff" than in the General. If the candidates had been flipped, we would have a situation where the candidate who won the most votes ended up losing.

Georgia-style runoffs are undemocratic. Just switch to the Maine, Alaska or California system.

Or even better just implement full on RCV for congressional and gubernatorial races.

I am coming around more to RCV having seen the drop in runoff turnout.
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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2022, 08:45:32 PM »

Lets be honest here, both parties love having tens of millions of dollars pumped into their state not once but twice!
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