🇬🇷 Greek politics and elections

[Torrain]

Turnout at 60.02%, with 83.07% counted. Higher than expected.

About the same as last time.

Tsipras just said that there is no time to change before the next elections.
His refusal to resign might doom SYRIZA to 3rd.

It’s giving: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

[oldtimer]

Turnout at 60.02%, with 83.07% counted. Higher than expected.

About the same as last time.

Tsipras just said that there is no time to change before the next elections.
His refusal to resign might doom SYRIZA to 3rd.

Greece back to basis.

People tend to vote with a time delay, the results of tonight should have been the results of last time and so forth and so forth.

The hatred of Tsipras and his government is real, if SYRIZA doesn't change leadership the voters will change parties.

The collapse of SYRIZA is so deep that even prospective leader replacements are left out of Parliament, making it more difficult for them to recover.

[oldtimer]

Turnout at 60.02%, with 83.07% counted. Higher than expected.

About the same as last time.

Tsipras just said that there is no time to change before the next elections.
His refusal to resign might doom SYRIZA to 3rd.

It’s giving: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

There are differences from Tsipras.

Corbyn never governed for 4 years, never bribed the N.E.C. to stay in charge, never did huge U-Turns, didn't had the reputation of being an unprincipled gambler.

[oldtimer]

Hahahaha.

Now there is talk that Tsipras will propose a merger with PASOK, with himself as leader of course.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

PASOK should agree to merge (or "form a united front") with SYRIZA under the sole condition that Tsipras resigns and a leadership election is held or some sort of collective leadership is instituted.

It's the only way for the Greek Left to suceed.

[Mike88]

PASOK should agree to merge (or "form a united front") with SYRIZA under the sole condition that Tsipras resigns and a leadership election is held or some sort of collective leadership is instituted.

It's the only way for the Greek Left to suceed.

Why would PASOK even think of some kind of deal with Syriza if they have a clear shot of becoming, once again, one of the two major parties in Greek politics? Plus, there is a cliff of differences between both parties and don't forget about Tsipras ego, he's not one to bow down easily.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Also, bluntly, after a decade of repeated humiliations and being treated as the butt of every joke going, why would they fold now?

[buritobr]

As we could expect, Sparta voted on the right of Athens

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

Idk who I would’ve voted for here, might’ve been SYRIZA in the past but I would’ve run away from any tankie statements and especially trying to get XA voters. Maybe PASOK.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Somewhat off topic but could any Greeks explain what the deal is with Esfigmenou Monastery at Athos?

My limited understanding of the situation is as such: the monks at Esfigmenou had some kind of schism with the other monasteries over the calendar (but they aren't Russian style Old Believers), Athos tried to replace the rebel monks and they responded by occupying the monastery and refusing to leave. One attempt at eviction by the police was prevented by use of Molotov Cocktails (!!!)

Apparently there's some sort of political movement behind the rebels but I have no idea what their deal is or how relevant they are because the topic has barely any coverage in English.

[oldtimer]

According to the results, SYRIZA collapsed the most in places where Self-Employment is highest, you can see it western Athens.

Exit pollsters said ND won the Self-Employed by 50-13, the largest shift of a group since 2019.

ND lost votes in the North of Greece, but gained votes among the urban poor and tourist resorts, essentially the service sector.

PASOK's gains are impressive in the countryside among farmers.

All in all the Left actually increased it's vote to just under 14%.
And the Right to just under 8%.

Centrist parties of all flavours have declined bellow 80% for the first time since the transformation of SYRIZA to a center-left party.

Basically it looks like the results of 2007, just with the PASOK of 2007 splintered, greek Macedon being a bit more right wing, and tourist areas a bit more ND.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Centrist parties of all flavours have declined bellow 80% for the first time since the transformation of SYRIZA to a center-left party.

Hahahaha!!!

[oldtimer]

In a repeat election ND would get around 163 MP's given that NIKH and the Konstantopoulou Party will likely gain the few extra votes to enter Parliament.

The introduction of a flat tax of 15% by ND now seems likely.

A new Constitution will probably be determined by if PASOK gains 2nd place from SYRIZA.

I think unlikely that PASOK will serve under ND if it becomes the official opposition, with Loverdos being left out of parliament and the base of PASOK becoming farmers, however lack of self awareness is still strong and most of it's MP's are still urban liberals.

[oldtimer]

One last thing about Greek Pollsters.

Yes they once more where crap, what they implied that they did was they once more corrected their samples based on the error from the last election, so they overestimated SYRIZA by 6 points because they underestimated them by 6 last time.

Never believe a greek poll (opinion or exit poll), you never know if they are making up the numbers.

Anecdotal info is always more reliable.

[oldtimer]

Another way to see the results is that the combined Center-Right and Right is at 48%, the highest since 1990.

[oldtimer]

As we could expect, Sparta voted on the right of Athens

As you can see the difference is not that great anymore.

Compare with 2007 https://ekloges-prev.singularlogic.eu/v2007/pages_en/index.html :

Municipality of Sparta
ND 54%

Municipality of Athens
ND 40%

As ND has moved gradually to the center, their rural voters are gradually leaving for traditional conservative parties, while ND has gradually gained among the urban PASOK vote.

It's a realignment in ND's favour because the center-left parties are unable to appeal to social conservatives, and as long as conservatives parties are disorganised they face no threat on their right flank.

Compared with 2007 the combined PASOK+SYRIZA vote is down, while the combined Right is up, and ND is stable.

[Benjamin Frank]

Nice to see the phony left wing populist economist Yanis Varoufakis got shut out.

Looks to me like a solid government that made some tough decisions resulting in some good for the nation got solidly reelected.

[CumbrianLefty]

Nice to see the phony left wing populist economist Yanis Varoufakis got shut out.

Somebody who let their fame go to their head, he never used to be this bad.

[Coldstream]

Glad to see Varoufakis dead and buried. Hopefully Tsipras follows him out the door - or that PASOK can come second in the next election.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Nice to see the phony left wing populist economist Yanis Varoufakis got shut out.

Somebody who let their fame go to their head, he never used to be this bad.

He always was that bad. A narcissist who was ready to gamble our country's future just to test his crazy theories.

[Mike88]

https://twitter.com/GreeceElects/status/1660696073562669083

The repeat election will probably be called between Wednesday and Friday. Curious to know who will be nominated as interim PM. Maybe a Supreme Court judge?

[President Johnson]

Well, it's at least kind of relieving to see polling is not only broken in the US. Polls not only underestimated ND support, it drastically overestimated SYRIZA. I never thought Tspiras would perform that poorly. At least PASOK is recovering from their dramatic losses following the financial crisis, albeit far away from pre-2010 strength.

It's unfortunate coalition governments are so unusual in Greece and there seems to be little desire for a ND-PASOK government with a solid majority. Mitsotakis is most likely winning a majority of his own in a July snap election and I'd be fine with that either.

I wonder whether his administration will stay in office until the snap election, or whether a technocrat cabinet will take over in the meantime? In 2012 and 2015, there were technocrat governments appointed in the meantime.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I wonder whether his administration will stay in office until the snap election, or whether a technocrat cabinet will take over in the meantime? In 2012 and 2015, there were technocrat governments appointed in the meantime.

There will be a caretaker government whose sole responsibility will be to conduct the new election.

[President Johnson]

I wonder whether his administration will stay in office until the snap election, or whether a technocrat cabinet will take over in the meantime? In 2012 and 2015, there were technocrat governments appointed in the meantime.

There will be a caretaker government whose sole responsibility will be to conduct the new election.

This is really kind of weird. In Germany (and I guess most other European countries), the previous government just stays on as a caretaker. Technically there's not even a deadline for formation of a new government. After the failed Jamaica talks in 2017 and later formation of another grand coalition, Merkel and her third cabinet continued on an acting capacity from October 2017 to March 2018 before the Bundestag reelected her.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I wonder whether his administration will stay in office until the snap election, or whether a technocrat cabinet will take over in the meantime? In 2012 and 2015, there were technocrat governments appointed in the meantime.

There will be a caretaker government whose sole responsibility will be to conduct the new election.

This is really kind of weird. In Germany (and I guess most other European countries), the previous government just stays on as a caretaker. Technically there's not even a deadline for formation of a new government. After the failed Jamaica talks in 2017 and later formation of another grand coalition, Merkel and her third cabinet continued on an acting capacity from October 2017 to March 2018 before the Bundestag reelected her.

That's because there is a tradition of coalition governments in Germany.
The norm here is for a party to have a comfortable majority and form a new government a few hours after the election.