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Question: Should the Labour rebels have the whip withdrawn?
#1
No
 
#2
Yes, but only a couple to make an example
 
#3
Yes, but only the "serial" rebels
 
#4
Yes, all of them
 
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Peter
Junior Chimp
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« on: November 13, 2005, 02:37:47 PM »

Times Article

There has been some talk of removing the whip from some of the rebels, specifically Robert Marshall-Andrews, who is one of the most prominent rebels in recent Parliamentary history having rebelled a third of the time in this Parliament and 14% throughout his Parliamentary career.

As the article describes there are essentially two types of rebels:

The Serial Rebels - a ragtag band of Socialist Campaign Group MPs and disgruntled former ministers. Already, two of the new intake can be appropriately placed in this category. In all, about

The "Bridge too Far" Rebels - the rebels who were simply taken too far on this one issue by the government, and stood firm on principle; They generally have rebelled very little in the past. Four of the intake can be included in this category.

The rebellion over 90 days was roughly composed half and half from each group.

The prospect of expelling the Bridge Too Far Rebels as well as the Serial rebels would obviously lose the Government's majority and would therefore be a very stupid idea, though many would continue vote with the government.

The government could just get away with expelling the serial rebels, but the majority could come down to single digits, and then it only needs a few principled rebels to defeat the government. It would be inadvisable IMO.

Expelling only a couple, like Marshall-Andrews, would be an interesting move - it might lay down a marker to possible rebels not to go there, but it could backfire and have a few of the other serial rebels resign in protest.
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Peter
Junior Chimp
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E: -0.77, S: -7.48

« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2005, 02:55:01 PM »

Whip on Wikipedia

Essentially if the Whip were withdrawn, the MP would cease to be a member of the Parliamentary Labour Party and would have to sit as an Independent.
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Peter
Junior Chimp
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E: -0.77, S: -7.48

« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2005, 07:23:31 AM »

Since the Third Reading of the Bill (which passed on a majority of 25 with all the opposition parties and 25 rebels against), the House of Lords has appended a total of 66 amendments to this bill. I gave them a quick skim read and a number are procedural, but a few look relatively controversial, including one of which that I think is a rather novel amendment of requiring that nothing and only nothing be recorded on the ID card.

It all now depends on whether the rebel masses will grow in the aftermath of the last vote. Emily Thornberry, who I know reasonably well, rebelled for the first time in her career in the 90 day vote. It will be interesting to see what she and the other first-time rebels do. My feeling is that she will rebel in this vote given her occupational background and her close links to Jeremy Corbyn.

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