Your feelings on Perez as DNC Chair, Ellison as Deputy Chair?

[jojoju1998]

Democrat - Burn'em all!

Wait. Wait. You would rather have a Neoliberal Fascist as America's President who isn't willing to change than a somewhat moderate but who is willing to change ?

[jojoju1998]

Awful. The last attempt of Obama to retain as much control as possible. Ellison will be marginalised by the establishment.

Remember how incompetent Obama was when it came to pick party leaders?

That's because President Obama was a Political Outsider, He only had like 3 years as a Senator. He didn't develop Relationships with Congress. He was basically a Outsider President.

All of the most influential Presidents in our Lifetimes, such as Ronald Reagan and FDR had Governing Experience and knew how to build Coalitions that would last for a lifetime. And they were also both Governors.....

Which is why people like TD and I predict that the Next Progressive Majority President will be a Governor.....

Is it too much to ask neoliberal Democratic hacks to actually learn anything from their embarrassing defeat 3 months ago?

I'm not asking them to change their minds (it's not like Ellison was a socialist, after all) but just to stop thinking the party is their property.

Well at least no one got killed....

[jojoju1998]

Is it too much to ask neoliberal Democratic hacks to actually learn anything from their embarrassing defeat 3 months ago?

I'm not asking them to change their minds (it's not like Ellison was a socialist, after all) but just to stop thinking the party is their property.

But I ask you this- what do you want?
Do you just want people you consider allies to win, no matter what? That's not how democracy works. In a democracy, you need to get the most votes. If you want to win, you need to win. Win primaries, win conventions, win elections. In 2016, you didn't win. Because Hillary got more votes. As simple as that. In the Party Chair elections, you lost narrowly. Because Perez got more votes. What the hell is wrong with that? It's democracy.

A vast majority of Democrats outside of the Betlway bubble supported Ellison. If the vote was actually put up to the membership (as it is in any decent party) he would have won easily. But the Establishment doesn't give a sh*t about that because it holds the base in utter contempt. Spare me your lectures about democracy.

But that's the process in both parties for many years. You knew it's the process. So yeah, you lost in that process. You have a right to be sour, but threatening to burn everything is just immature and counter-productive.

Who cares? The "process" is illegitimate.

If so, then why be so emotionally invested in it? 

Because I want the Democratic party to actually start representing the needs and concerns of normal, working-class American, and not just consulting firms and hip, shallow suburbanites. Because it would be nice if at least one of the two parties did that.

Then Vote !

[jojoju1998]

Is it too much to ask neoliberal Democratic hacks to actually learn anything from their embarrassing defeat 3 months ago?

Learn what?  She got more votes.  How many did Bernie get?

1. 3 months ago refeers to the general election, not primaries.
2. And it doesn't matter. Trump is President because Hillary blew a winnable race. I mean come on, man, she lost by a hair to somebody who committed every political sin there's in the book and was written off by almost everybody as unelectable.

She won more votes in the general.  The people are not rejecting neoliberalism.

I doubt a majority of her voters support neoliberalism.

Actually most of Americans don't. What happened is this......

Actually TD and Technocratic Timmy explained this better.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=251989.0
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259090.0

As you can read, thanks to America's Two Party System, It is pretty hard to get change through.

[jojoju1998]

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=251989.0
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=259090.0


These two articles by TD and Technocratic Timmy should give some of us hope.