UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[LabourJersey]

You guys didn't watch Severance, huh?

I finally watched Severance recently and I couldn't stop thinking about Starmer every time they would save "Praise Keir" or "Brilliant one Keir."

[Silent Hunter]

How much influence will progressive politics (such as what Corbyn advocated for) have in a new Labour government?

Depends on Labour's majority. The Campaign Group is still a thing, but based on the current projections, its influence will be smaller than a bacon sandwich.

[CumbrianLefty]

A large majority will mean quite a lot of Labour MPs discovering rebellious tendencies sooner or later - the Campaign Group was small beer in Blair's time, but that didn't stop major rebellions and splits.

[Oryxslayer]

A large majority will mean quite a lot of Labour MPs discovering rebellious tendencies sooner or later - the Campaign Group was small beer in Blair's time, but that didn't stop major rebellions and splits.

A very underdiscussed likelihood. Starmers campaign personally does not demonstrate a desire for 500+ MPs for this very reason, IMO, but he may end up there thanks to Reform.

 The bigger the party, the more difficult it will be to control everyone,  something far more important in a Strong Party system than in the US or even Canada where politicians have varrying degrees of leeway.  The internal divides between Labour MPs will get more prominence the larger the grouping. Likely not immediately,  but eventually there will be a new pressing issue  that wasn't that relevant during this campaign,  and because the party didn't vet for it the MPs  have divided responses. And with enough pressure,  plus the encouragement from the overall size of the groups on either side of the divide, some people will split off. Likely in a lame undersized SDP way, but still, not productive developments for Labour long term. Especially with a landslide hypothetically coming from a divided opposition versus 40%, and not a true deluge and an ungodly 60%+.


This of course isn't to say that Starmer wants the Tories to outperform their polling.  His team may only desire say 430 MPS for control reasons,  but what non-Labour party wins the most of the remaining 200 is not their concern.

[Philly D.]

 The bigger the party, the more difficult it will be to control everyone,  something far more important in a Strong Party system than in the US or even Canada where politicians have varrying degrees of leeway.

If Canada isn't a Strong Party system I want to know what is -- any vote against a Government here is noteworthy, and that's on the federal level... in Quebec there has been only one case of an MNA voting against party lines to my knowledge in 17 years.

[Oryxslayer]

 The bigger the party, the more difficult it will be to control everyone,  something far more important in a Strong Party system than in the US or even Canada where politicians have varrying degrees of leeway.

If Canada isn't a Strong Party system I want to know what is -- any vote against a Government here is noteworthy, and that's on the federal level... in Quebec there has been only one case of an MNA voting against party lines to my knowledge in 17 years.

Not disagreeing with you. Which is why I used the word varying. Whipping the votes is not the only arena a party can exert control - though it is the most visible which is why the US is the classic counterexample to strong parties. For example, this campaign cycle we have seen Labour HQ purge candidates for speaking their mind against party issues, usually Gaza-related. Whether you agree or not to this policy, speaking your mind and offering alternatives to the leadership, even if you still vote as expected, is a another form of control that is allowed in some country's political arenas but not others.

[Torrain]

May headed to the Lords in the Dissolution Honours. Sunak reportedly wanted to ennoble Richard Sharp too, but after his Johnsonian controversy, eventually settled on a knighthood.

Between the lengthy titles, the ermine, and her post-premiership tendency for high-camp, I look forward to Theresa's evolution into her final form - minor nobility from the Dune universe.

"The spice must flow" - Baroness Maidenhead

[CumbrianLefty]

The first link in the above post doesn't work.

[Torrain]

The first link in the above post doesn't work.

My bad, that was a dead link from the Telegraph. Should be corrected with the original Times article now.

[Storr]

"Number of train journeys on Ukrainian railways @Ukrzaliznytsia over 3 years of war = 100+

Trains cancelled or seriously delayed = 0 (OK, one went a bit slower bc of mine clearing)

Number of train tickets bought on UK’s @AvantiWestCoast in last 3 months = 2

Number cancelled = 2"

https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1803712824956293536

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Sir Howard Bernstein, the Chief Executive of Manchester City Council from 1998 until 2017, has died. He was perhaps the most influential (and certainly the most objectively successful) British local government officer of the past fifty years.

[Flyersfan232]

May headed to the Lords in the Dissolution Honours. Sunak reportedly wanted to ennoble Richard Sharp too, but after his Johnsonian controversy, eventually settled on a knighthood.

Between the lengthy titles, the ermine, and her post-premiership tendency for high-camp, I look forward to Theresa's evolution into her final form - minor nobility from the Dune universe.

"The spice must flow" - Baroness Maidenhead

off topic ish but any chance they finally allow the duaghters of peers to succeed to their father titles since they are allowing transgenders now they might as well just changed it

[Flyersfan232]

So their a state visit by the Japanese emperor this week why is this happening during a election?

[ingemann]

So their a state visit by the Japanese emperor this week why is this happening during a election?

Likely planned a long time ago, and because it’s royalty it’s likely seen as an apolitical state visit.

[Flyersfan232]

Off topic but remainers are the stupidest people ever no diffenerent then election deniers here https://x.com/normanlamb/status/1337749021570510851?s=46&t=8G_VWbBrVGy-C9PtXUjfGA

[ingemann]

Off topic but remainers are the stupidest people ever no diffenerent then election deniers here https://x.com/normanlamb/status/1337749021570510851?s=46&t=8G_VWbBrVGy-C9PtXUjfGA

Yeah, it’s totally the fault of the remainers that the Brexiteers forced the stupidest possible Brexit through. This tweet is just some useful idiot, whose time in in parliament enabled the corrupt and destructive behavior of Cameron and his crew of Etonian plunderes, trying to rewrite history.

[TheTide]

Princess Anne is in hospital due to an apparent horse-related injury. It doesn't sound serious, but the Royal Family aren't really having the run-of-the-ball this year.

[CumbrianLefty]

Off topic but remainers are the stupidest people ever no diffenerent then election deniers here https://x.com/normanlamb/status/1337749021570510851?s=46&t=8G_VWbBrVGy-C9PtXUjfGA

Yeah, it’s totally the fault of the remainers that the Brexiteers forced the stupidest possible Brexit through. This tweet is just some useful idiot, whose time in in parliament enabled the corrupt and destructive behavior of Cameron and his crew of Etonian plunderes, trying to rewrite history.

That certain anti-Brexiteers behaved stupidly during that period is pretty undeniable though isn't it.

[Torrain]

off topic ish but any chance they finally allow the duaghters of peers to succeed to their father titles since they are allowing transgenders now they might as well just changed it

There are a couple of peerages women can inherit, but only a handful of female hereditaries have ever sat in the Lords, and not since the 1980s.

Private Members Bills to that effect were introduced in 2019 and 2024, but the first ran out of time for a vote, and the second was headed to committee when parliament dissolved. Very likely to be re-introduced by *someone* in the next parliament. I wouldn't be surprised if Labour rolled it into their Lords reform package.

The gender situation isn't new - the Gender Recognition Act (2004) makes clear that if someone legally transitions, they don't lose or gain eligibility for any honours/peerage/etc. The only reason it came up recently is that Matilda Simon (3rd Baroness Simon of Wythenshawe) was approved in 2022 (by then-Justice Sec Dominic Raab) to go on the candidates list for one of the limited hereditary seats in the Lords.

Simon's case does reveal some of the oddities of the current system. Her elder sister was ineligible (as a cisgender woman). Simon inherited her father's title prior to transition, and much later in life ended up as a baroness in a male-only peerage. That's hardly her fault though, is it?

[Blue3]

Corbyn "advocated for" quite a few things. Some of his domestic concerns may actually get a hearing, but the foreign policy stuff is for the most part right out.

For someone who has only casually followered UK politics..

-what are 3 of Corbyn's top domestic priorities that might get a hearing or even pass in a new Labour government?
-what are 3 of Corbyn's top domestic priorities that won't be seriously considered in a new Labour government?
-" " same as above for foreign policy priorities

There was a lot of noise around him when he led Labour, but his actual top priorities, beyond the noise and the day-to-day, I never got a firm grasp of. I'm especially thinking of things that weren't immediate concerns, which would already be past their "expiration date" by now, but still would be meaningful to try now (whether people think it's good or bad). And perhaps there's more clarity now that there's been more time on what the true top priorities underlying it all were?

[ingemann]

Off topic but remainers are the stupidest people ever no diffenerent then election deniers here https://x.com/normanlamb/status/1337749021570510851?s=46&t=8G_VWbBrVGy-C9PtXUjfGA

Yeah, it’s totally the fault of the remainers that the Brexiteers forced the stupidest possible Brexit through. This tweet is just some useful idiot, whose time in in parliament enabled the corrupt and destructive behavior of Cameron and his crew of Etonian plunderes, trying to rewrite history.

That certain anti-Brexiteers behaved stupidly during that period is pretty undeniable though isn't it.

The problem is that we have the benefit of hindsight, they had to act with little knowledge of the future, while dealing with a deeply dysfunctional majority which they couldn’t be sure wouldn’t derail everything over some power struggle in the Conservative Party or in Northern Ireland.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Oh so you can find time to shake hands with the Japanese Emperor but not stay for the whole D-Day ceremony.

[Flyersfan232]

Oh so you can find time to shake hands with the Japanese Emperor but not stay for the whole D-Day ceremony.

rishi right now https://youtu.be/R1GuPSAyluM?si=xmGKsHDZPyLGnpm5

[Flyersfan232]

Off topic but remainers are the stupidest people ever no diffenerent then election deniers here https://x.com/normanlamb/status/1337749021570510851?s=46&t=8G_VWbBrVGy-C9PtXUjfGA

trying to over turn the results was undemocratic the remainers are no difference then maga I will died on this hill

Yeah, it’s totally the fault of the remainers that the Brexiteers forced the stupidest possible Brexit through. This tweet is just some useful idiot, whose time in in parliament enabled the corrupt and destructive behavior of Cameron and his crew of Etonian plunderes, trying to rewrite history.

That certain anti-Brexiteers behaved stupidly during that period is pretty undeniable though isn't it.

The problem is that we have the benefit of hindsight, they had to act with little knowledge of the future, while dealing with a deeply dysfunctional majority which they couldn’t be sure wouldn’t derail everything over some power struggle in the Conservative Party or in Northern Ireland.