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« Reply #7650 on: May 28, 2024, 04:09:43 AM »



Sorry, it's not tenable to blame Hamas for what's going on right now. Yes, October 7th was an atrocity and a crime against humanity, yes Hamas cares nothing for the people of Gaza, yes they use human shields, yes Israel had a right to respond to some of the most reprehensible terror we've seen in the region. But it's Israel that has the power to end this carnage we're witnessing in front of us. What we are witnessing in the news is squarely the responsibility of the IDF. The power differential is massive here. Israel has proven that they have neither a plan to continue this war that does not involve the continued killing of the civilians, or a plan for peace to guarantee the long term safety of all peoples.

That was well written. Understood.

Israel's plan is the prolonged extraction and elimination of any and all military capability that Hamas currently has.

The IDF are simply not going to stop until the Israeli hostages are returned and Hamas is incapacitated and removed.
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« Reply #7651 on: May 28, 2024, 04:41:41 AM »

The chickens are finally coming home to roost. There is only so much that Gantz is going to tolerate from here; his six point ultimatum to Netanyahu has made that clear.

I believe Gallant signed off on that ultimatum as well, although I could be misremembering

It would not surprise me.

Gantz is an ex-general. He's afraid of an open-ended commitment because he knows what happens when that happens. More than that, being part of this government is hurting his own polling numbers. June 8 is going to be a very interesting day.
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« Reply #7652 on: May 28, 2024, 06:29:02 AM »

Israeli tanks are in central Rafah.
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« Reply #7653 on: May 28, 2024, 06:49:09 AM »

Revealed: Israeli spy chief ‘threatened’ ICC prosecutor over war crimes inquiry

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The former head of the Mossad, Israel’s foreign intelligence agency, allegedly threatened a chief prosecutor of the international criminal court in a series of secret meetings in which he tried to pressure her into abandoning a war crimes investigation, the Guardian can reveal.

Yossi Cohen’s covert contacts with the ICC’s then prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, took place in the years leading up to her decision to open a formal investigation into alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity in occupied Palestinian territories.

That investigation, launched in 2021, culminated last week when Bensouda’s successor, Karim Khan, announced that he was seeking an arrest warrant for the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, over the country’s conduct in its war in Gaza.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/28/israeli-spy-chief-icc-prosecutor-war-crimes-inquiry
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« Reply #7654 on: May 28, 2024, 06:56:48 AM »


Meanwhile, Biden administration officials are still not sure if Israel has crossed Biden's Rafah "redline".
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« Reply #7655 on: May 28, 2024, 07:19:36 AM »

The Biden administration is STILL assessing whether Israel has violated Biden's Rafah "redline".

This is unbelievable.

You would think that this came from The Onion, but it's not.

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/27/rafah-tent-camp-strike-biden-israel-red-line


This is how government works. Not sure why you're shocked. If you had a libertarian point of view you would understand immediately. "X is happening, we don't want to admit X has happened, therefore we will say we are assessing if X has happened", with never a declarative statement on measures to decide or timeline.
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« Reply #7656 on: May 28, 2024, 07:29:08 AM »

The Biden administration is STILL assessing whether Israel has violated Biden's Rafah "redline".

This is unbelievable.

You would think that this came from The Onion, but it's not.

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/27/rafah-tent-camp-strike-biden-israel-red-line


This is how government works. Not sure why you're shocked. If you had a libertarian point of view you would understand immediately. "X is happening, we don't want to admit X has happened, therefore we will say we are assessing if X has happened", with never a declarative statement on measures to decide or timeline.

I said that it is "unbelievable" because the administration still refuses to acknowledge something that everyone can see.
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« Reply #7657 on: May 28, 2024, 08:19:31 AM »

The Biden administration is STILL assessing whether Israel has violated Biden's Rafah "redline".

This is unbelievable.

You would think that this came from The Onion, but it's not.

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/27/rafah-tent-camp-strike-biden-israel-red-line


This is how government works. Not sure why you're shocked. If you had a libertarian point of view you would understand immediately. "X is happening, we don't want to admit X has happened, therefore we will say we are assessing if X has happened", with never a declarative statement on measures to decide or timeline.

I said that it is "unbelievable" because the administration still refuses to acknowledge something that everyone can see.

Because they don't want to acknowledge it. Therefore they're still acting like they're in the process. It's part of the power of government to try and define the operating terms even when it's completely left them.
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« Reply #7658 on: May 28, 2024, 12:23:13 PM »

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-aid-deliveries-to-gaza-by-sea-suspended-after-damage-to-temporary-pier/ar-BB1ncuac?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Rough seas stop Gaza Aid pier. IIRC a soldier is already in critical condition a few days ago from an accident.
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« Reply #7659 on: May 28, 2024, 12:33:18 PM »

Look like the Mediterranean Sea is zionist
But to be serious it probably going to take a few days maybe a week maybe a little bit longer for the damage to be repaired.
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« Reply #7660 on: May 28, 2024, 02:15:31 PM »

I don’t really get why Rafah is some sort of special red line. Israel made it clear in the beginning that would go anywhere in Gaza to root out Hamas, and the USA made it clear that it would support Israel in doing that. If Hamas is based out of Rafah, it would seem as if Israel should be allowed to conduct military operations there.
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« Reply #7661 on: May 28, 2024, 02:51:51 PM »

I don’t really get why Rafah is some sort of special red line.

Biden is just following the example paved by the most recent Democratic President before him.
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« Reply #7662 on: May 28, 2024, 03:27:46 PM »

I don’t really get why Rafah is some sort of special red line.

Biden is just following the example paved by the most recent Democratic President before him.

Who also ignored the red line he had previously set when it was crossed.  Wink + Tongue
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« Reply #7663 on: May 28, 2024, 03:59:06 PM »

Former Republican Presidential Candidate Nikki Haley writes "Finish Them" on an IDF Artillery Shell.



Very powerful indeed Smiley

I am with Nikki on this one!
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« Reply #7664 on: May 28, 2024, 04:00:58 PM »

Former Republican Presidential Candidate Nikki Haley writes "Finish Them" on an IDF Artillery Shell.



Very powerful indeed Smiley

I am with Nikki on this one!
Based nikki, Hamas must be destroyed and finished off once and forever.
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« Reply #7665 on: May 28, 2024, 04:13:55 PM »

Former Republican Presidential Candidate Nikki Haley writes "Finish Them" on an IDF Artillery Shell.



Very powerful indeed Smiley

I am with Nikki on this one!
Based nikki, Hamas must be destroyed and finished off once and forever.
Yup, otherwise Israel will have the same problem again in 5-10 years time.
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« Reply #7666 on: May 28, 2024, 04:55:26 PM »

US pier constructed off Gaza has broken apart

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The temporary pier constructed by the US military to transport aid into Gaza broke apart and sustained damage in heavy seas on Tuesday in a major blow to the American-led effort to create a maritime corridor for humanitarian supplies into the war-torn enclave, the Pentagon said.

The pier was “damaged and sections of the pier need rebuilding and repairing,” Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh said on Tuesday. The pier will be removed from its location on the Gaza coast over the next 48 hours and taken to the Israeli port of Ashdod, where US Central Command will carry out repairs, Singh said. The repairs will take more than a week, further delaying the effort to get the maritime corridor fully operating.

Earlier, four US officials told CNN the pier broke apart in heavy seas.

Part of the pier, which consists of a narrow causeway to drive aid into Gaza and a wider parking area to drop off supplies transported by ship, disconnected on Sunday, the officials said. The parking area will have to be reconnected to the causeway before the pier can be used again.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/28/politics/us-gaza-pier-broken-apart/index.html
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« Reply #7667 on: May 28, 2024, 05:00:51 PM »

It's not a "major ground operation".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22pl9p212o

Also, the fact Israel tanks can get to the centre of Rafah with little real opposition is telling.
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« Reply #7668 on: May 28, 2024, 05:02:50 PM »

US pier constructed off Gaza has broken apart

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The temporary pier constructed by the US military to transport aid into Gaza broke apart and sustained damage in heavy seas on Tuesday in a major blow to the American-led effort to create a maritime corridor for humanitarian supplies into the war-torn enclave, the Pentagon said.

The pier was “damaged and sections of the pier need rebuilding and repairing,” Pentagon deputy press secretary Sabrina Singh said on Tuesday. The pier will be removed from its location on the Gaza coast over the next 48 hours and taken to the Israeli port of Ashdod, where US Central Command will carry out repairs, Singh said. The repairs will take more than a week, further delaying the effort to get the maritime corridor fully operating.

Earlier, four US officials told CNN the pier broke apart in heavy seas.

Part of the pier, which consists of a narrow causeway to drive aid into Gaza and a wider parking area to drop off supplies transported by ship, disconnected on Sunday, the officials said. The parking area will have to be reconnected to the causeway before the pier can be used again.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/28/politics/us-gaza-pier-broken-apart/index.html
So Biden Entire pier operation have been utter failure with it sinking in less than 2 weeks and wasted half a billion dollars?
What effect will this have on his reelection campaign
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« Reply #7669 on: May 28, 2024, 05:04:22 PM »

It's not a "major ground operation".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv22pl9p212o

Also, the fact Israel tanks can get to the centre of Rafah with little real opposition is telling.
I think Hamas is hiding in these Tunnels. IDF has to blow these up to get them.
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« Reply #7670 on: May 28, 2024, 05:04:52 PM »
« Edited: May 28, 2024, 05:24:52 PM by pppolitics »

The "red line" keeps moving or maybe it doesn't exist in the first place.

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« Reply #7671 on: May 28, 2024, 05:30:02 PM »

IDF investigating fire

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7hLOujNuR6/

The IDF are investigating whether a secondary fire took hold after munitions were stored there by Hamas.

The IDF said they used only 34 kg of explosive using their AI algorithm to take out two Hamas militants.

Wait and see. Every time Hamas says something, the international media bites. Let's see if this is another Hospital car park story ultimately caused by Hamas storing weapons in a refugee camp next to innocent civilians.
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« Reply #7672 on: May 28, 2024, 05:36:56 PM »

IDF investigating fire

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7hLOujNuR6/

The IDF are investigating whether a secondary fire took hold after munitions were stored there by Hamas.

The IDF said they used only 34 kg of explosive using their AI algorithm to take out two Hamas militants.

Wait and see. Every time Hamas says something, the international media bites. Let's see if this is another Hospital car park story ultimately caused by Hamas storing weapons in a refugee camp next to innocent civilians.

No one here is stupid enough to trust Israel to investigate itself.
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« Reply #7673 on: May 28, 2024, 05:54:17 PM »

I don’t really get why Rafah is some sort of special red line. Israel made it clear in the beginning that would go anywhere in Gaza to root out Hamas, and the USA made it clear that it would support Israel in doing that. If Hamas is based out of Rafah, it would seem as if Israel should be allowed to conduct military operations there.

They’ve pushed most Palestinians in Gaza into Rafah, so attacking the city has the potential to inflict massive civilian casualties.
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« Reply #7674 on: May 28, 2024, 06:05:26 PM »

IDF investigating fire

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7hLOujNuR6/

The IDF are investigating whether a secondary fire took hold after munitions were stored there by Hamas.

The IDF said they used only 34 kg of explosive using their AI algorithm to take out two Hamas militants.

Wait and see. Every time Hamas says something, the international media bites. Let's see if this is another Hospital car park story ultimately caused by Hamas storing weapons in a refugee camp next to innocent civilians.

No one here is stupid enough to trust Israel to investigate itself.
You'd be surprised.
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