Israel-Gaza war

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Hilarious that “right-wing Belgian forums” are the standard of objectivity by which he judges us too. Sorry that this forum is more pro-Israel than some neo-Nazi message board??

It's not a neo-nazi message board, actually very similar to this forum. Most people there vote N-VA or Open VLD. It's basically full of S019s and OSRs.

but keep spreading fake news i guess.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Hilarious that “right-wing Belgian forums” are the standard of objectivity by which he judges us too. Sorry that this forum is more pro-Israel than some neo-Nazi message board??

Especially considering he once posted a Partisangirl tweet that he found there! I repeat, Partisangirl.

I don't know who she is. I've never heard of her before I posted that tweet, and she's banned now. I can't see her tweets.

Unlike you i don't try to keep up to date with conspiracy theorists and who they are, since the internet is full of them and they're not worth my time.

And secondly, a broken clock is twice a day right. Obviously they are opportunists just like jackson hinkle to jump on this movement for their own purposes (trolling, hating USA/Nato/Europe/the west), spreading fake news in efforts to undermine democracy and common sense.

But that doesn't mean that 100% of what they post and tweet is wrong. It's just they'll only highlight and tweet things that will make America look bad. And well Palestine isn't America's friend.

So if that is the sole reason for you to endorse genocide (or protect your fellow users who endorse genocide) with the exception of Bibi because at the very least you do condemn him and his crony clan, but somehow take no issues with the full-time genocide denialists for the simple fact that we both don't like each other, go ahead.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Wow. GERMANY out of all places has come out to say it WILL abide to the ICC ruling and JAIL Netanyahu if he ever sets foot in Germany.

Huge defeat.

In many ways Germany has been even more submissive towards Israel than America, so this is quite surprising.

Should tell you a lot about what the common sense position here is.

Something a lot of forum users here don't seem to get, instead they rather frame me as pro-terrorist.

[Horus]

Wow. GERMANY out of all places has come out to say it WILL abide to the ICC ruling and JAIL Netanyahu if he ever sets foot in Germany.

Huge defeat.

In many ways Germany has been even more submissive towards Israel than America, so this is quite surprising.

Should tell you a lot about what the common sense position here is.

Something a lot of forum users here don't seem to get, instead they rather frame me as pro-terrorist.

While Israel has lost a lot of support here over the past 7-8 months, as it has in almost every part of the world in almost every poll conducted, the number of diehards, quite often self described centrists, is disturbing.

[AtorBoltox]

Israelis don't give a crap because they've never faced any consequences and they never will until the United States elects a leader that doesn't suck. Unfortunately, the two candidates running are by far the worst possible candidates for each party, so again, why should Israel care? They can be the favorite country of every sociopath who enjoys dead Muslims, while facing no repercussions for bombing cities and destroying culture for at least the next four years.

Not to nitpick but Haley was unquestionably worse on foreign policy and probably on domestic stuff too. But other than that I completely agree. Israeli society has been very pampered.

The chutzpah it takes for someone living in Georgia to say a people subjected to constant invasions, knifings and suicide bombings over decades is ‘pampered’ is breathtaking

[pppolitics]

Israelis don't give a crap because they've never faced any consequences and they never will until the United States elects a leader that doesn't suck. Unfortunately, the two candidates running are by far the worst possible candidates for each party, so again, why should Israel care? They can be the favorite country of every sociopath who enjoys dead Muslims, while facing no repercussions for bombing cities and destroying culture for at least the next four years.

Not to nitpick but Haley was unquestionably worse on foreign policy and probably on domestic stuff too. But other than that I completely agree. Israeli society has been very pampered.

The chutzpah it takes for someone living in Georgia to say a people subjected to constant invasions, knifings and suicide bombings over decades is ‘pampered’ is breathtaking

Compared to the Palestinians (who have constantly been threatened and attacked by violent Jewish settlers), they have certainly been.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html

[Devils30]

Israelis don't give a crap because they've never faced any consequences and they never will until the United States elects a leader that doesn't suck. Unfortunately, the two candidates running are by far the worst possible candidates for each party, so again, why should Israel care? They can be the favorite country of every sociopath who enjoys dead Muslims, while facing no repercussions for bombing cities and destroying culture for at least the next four years.

Not to nitpick but Haley was unquestionably worse on foreign policy and probably on domestic stuff too. But other than that I completely agree. Israeli society has been very pampered.

The chutzpah it takes for someone living in Georgia to say a people subjected to constant invasions, knifings and suicide bombings over decades is ‘pampered’ is breathtaking

Compared to the Palestinians (who have constantly been threatened and attacked by violent Jewish settlers), they have certainly been.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/magazine/israel-west-bank-settler-violence-impunity.html

You guys could claim a lot more moral high ground by focusing on the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, support withdrawal and a resulting two state solution (I fully support this as a permanent agreement). Instead, most of the left is currently chanting pro-Hamas slogans and care most about eliminating Israel even within its '67 lines. And Jews rightly given their history wonder if it's all really about self-determination for the Palestinian people or something a lot more sinister.

Yes, this article was well-written and the Israeli settler movement has a big extremism problem. Lets also be honest, these are not reform and conservative Jews, they are the true believers who are really not representative of the average Israeli, much less the average Jew.

[Meclazine for Israel]

October 7 Palestinian Father-Son Rape Teams.

https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/fatherson-hamas-terrorists-casually-describe-taking-turns-raping-israeli-woman-then-executing-her-in-bonechilling-video/news-story/54ad07d1f1f78eba02903e59a6ee45f3

"Jamal Hussein Ahmad Radi, 47, and his 18-year-old son, Abdallah, were seized by the Israel Defense Forces in the Gaza Strip this spring and subsequently questioned about the terror attack, the Daily Mail revealed."



https://www.instagram.com/p/C7UfZ98RGu2/?igsh=b2s1ZHNveDNiZWdy

"Your father was the first to rape her?"

"Yes. Then I, and Ahmed, we raped her too, and then we left."

"After he finished raping her, my father killed her."

[pppolitics]

ICJ just ordered Israel to halt military operation in Rafah.

[pppolitics]

ICJ just ordered Israel to halt military operation in Rafah.

Won't happen
that what will happen, no need to say anything else.

Of cause, not.

Israel has a culture of impunity and doesn't care about international laws.

[pppolitics]

This is a pretty smart move from the ICJ.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

[Silent Hunter]

I'd say the issue is less Israel bombing or shooting people than them starving.

[Silent Hunter]

Notably the ruling only covers Rafah governate, not everywhere else and the wording is pretty ambiguous.

Also, there's just been a rather big airstrike in the centre of Rafah.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

[emailking]

UN’s top court orders Israel to halt its operation in Rafah

The United Nations' top court has ordered Israel to "immediately halt" its military offensive in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, further increasing international pressure on Israel over its war against Hamas.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) made its decision on a request by South Africa, which accused Israel of using forced evacuation orders in Rafah to "endanger rather than protect civilian life." Israel has rejected the allegations. ICJ rulings are final and binding, but the court doesn’t have a mechanism to enforce them.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-05-24-24/index.html?

[pppolitics]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

[Rubensim]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Well Israel did cross the redline by going on the rafah offensive and he did nothing, so wouldn't shock me if he does cross his own redline but well it depend if joe decide rather to put his campaign and the us international reputation on risk for israel.

[pppolitics]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

He would look even weaker and more pathetic.

It's embarrassing that he allows Netanyahu to disrespect him.

He makes the entire US looks weak.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

He would look even weaker and more pathetic.

It's embarrassing that he allows Netanyahu to disrespect him.

He makes the entire US looks weak.

"The US has the right to dictate other countries' foreign policy, up to and including existential issues"
 but leftistly.

[pppolitics]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

He would look even weaker and more pathetic.

It's embarrassing that he allows Netanyahu to disrespect him.

He makes the entire US looks weak.

"The US has the right to dictate other countries' foreign policy, up to and including existential issues"
 but leftistly.

That's right.

Israel is the biggest recipient of US aid since World War II, so the US has the right to dictate Israel's foreign policy.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

He would look even weaker and more pathetic.

It's embarrassing that he allows Netanyahu to disrespect him.

He makes the entire US looks weak.

"The US has the right to dictate other countries' foreign policy, up to and including existential issues"
 but leftistly.

That's right.

Israel is the biggest recipient of US aid since World War II, so the US has the right to dictate Israel's foreign policy.

And when Israel says no? When Israel makes clear that if the US cuts off aid, it will simply use whatever it has to finish the mission against Hamas? Don't be shy, what's your master plan now that you've declared Israel to be a vassal state of the mighty US empire?

[Open Source Intelligence]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

He would look even weaker and more pathetic.

It's embarrassing that he allows Netanyahu to disrespect him.

He makes the entire US looks weak.

"The US has the right to dictate other countries' foreign policy, up to and including existential issues"
 but leftistly.

That's right.

Israel is the biggest recipient of US aid since World War II, so the US has the right to dictate Israel's foreign policy.

And when Israel says no? When Israel makes clear that if the US cuts off aid, it will simply use whatever it has to finish the mission against Hamas? Don't be shy, what's your master plan now that you've declared Israel to be a vassal state of the mighty US empire?

Our government estimated in a Politico article published the last week that Israel have only killed a third of Hamas fighters from pre-October 7th, two-thirds of the Gazan tunnel networks are still intact, and they've recruited thousands of new fighters post-October 7th.

On a military board I'm on, a few individuals posted

Let me be the one with an unpopular opinion. The IDF is a great defensive army, third-rate when it comes to offensive operations. Lebanon 1982 and 2006 show that.

And cross Suez in 1973 was against a beaten Egpytian Army and was done on a shoestring. Hell, it wasn't properly equipped for combined arms warfare until well in the 1980s because they ignored their artillery.

They have converted in a mindset of being an internal security force. I am sure Camp David Accords had a bit to do with that.

I'd argue its hamstrung by a lack of experience and training in conventional combined arms warfare. The last 30 years? Its focus has almost entirely been fighting anti-terrorist/asymmetric warfare rather than conventional combined arms. Egypt? No appetite for a war. Syria? No capacity to win one if it started. Iran? Love to but it's an air campaign and again they wouldn't win.

I'm not knocking the IDF. I think they are that way by design. The D does stand for Defense. Small country, small population. They push the threat out of the country and secure their space. Never going to invade Egypt and try to take over Cairo.

They are very good at what they do. I think the politicians read too many fan blogs and put them into situations they were not designed for: quick raids into Gaza to hit key points then withdraw. Find another, same same. Not take over the entire Gaza Strip.

The IDF leadership has already been fairly public about how little interest they have in occupying Gaza, so I assume they are being even more frank in private. They know that chasing ghosts through dense urban areas isn't what they are best at (is any modern Western military?), but they are stuck with this mission for now.

Given the noises Gallant and Gantz have been making I suspect Netanyahu will risk not only the fall of his government but even more open IDF criticism if he tries to make the occupation anything more than very temporary.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

He would look even weaker and more pathetic.

It's embarrassing that he allows Netanyahu to disrespect him.

He makes the entire US looks weak.

"The US has the right to dictate other countries' foreign policy, up to and including existential issues"
 but leftistly.

That's right.

Israel is the biggest recipient of US aid since World War II, so the US has the right to dictate Israel's foreign policy.

This is one of the most bizarre takes I’ve seen in this thread and that’s saying something.  Not the worst (although it is awful, don’t get me wrong), but certainly one of the most bizarre.  “Israel is the 51st state because we send aid to our allies” is just…woof.  Beyond that, I’ll just say there is a lot to unpack here and leave it at that.

[pppolitics]

Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

He would look even weaker and more pathetic.

It's embarrassing that he allows Netanyahu to disrespect him.

He makes the entire US looks weak.

"The US has the right to dictate other countries' foreign policy, up to and including existential issues"
 but leftistly.

That's right.

Israel is the biggest recipient of US aid since World War II, so the US has the right to dictate Israel's foreign policy.

This is one of the most bizarre takes I’ve seen in this thread and that’s saying something.  Not the worst (although it is awful, don’t get me wrong), but certainly one of the most bizarre.  “Israel is the 51st state because we send aid to our allies” is just…woof.  Beyond that, I’ll just say there is a lot to unpack here and leave it at that.

You should look outside the Atlas.

Plenty of analysts have said the same.

Being Israel's biggest arms supplier, the US have plenty of leverage over Israel, but Biden is, for whatever reasons, afraid to use it.