French 20th Century Survivor: ROUND SIXTY-FOUR

[Хahar 🤔]

Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

[Hash]

Laval eliminated unanimously.

Round THREE is open. Vote away.

Still simple, let's go for Slimy Bastard-Fascist Collabo-Traitor #3, Pierre-Etienne Flandin.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Flandin

Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

[big bad fab]

Sorry Hash, but I'll do Darlan first.

He was a real collaborationist: in 1941, he pleased Germans more than Laval before Dec 1940.
He negotiated and signed the agreements that ruled the entire occupation and collaboration regimes.

[Хahar 🤔]

Sorry Hash, but I'll do Darlan first.

He was a real collaborationist: in 1941, he pleased Germans more than Laval before Dec 1940.
He negotiated and signed the agreements that ruled the entire occupation and collaboration regimes.

But he converted before his death.

Flandin.

Flandin

Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

[Edu]

Flandin

[Antonio the Sixth]

Flandin

Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

His political evolution could be interesting, on the intellectual point ( how so many pseudo-socialists between the two wars revealed to be disgusting reactionnary fascists ). However, I feel more interested by people I don't despise so much...

[Хahar 🤔]

Flandin

Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

His political evolution could be interesting, on the intellectual point ( how so many pseudo-socialists between the two wars revealed to be disgusting reactionnary fascists ). However, I feel more interested by people I don't despise so much...

Is that so? I find that the people I like tend to be quite boring.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Flandin

Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

His political evolution could be interesting, on the intellectual point ( how so many pseudo-socialists between the two wars revealed to be disgusting reactionnary fascists ). However, I feel more interested by people I don't despise so much...

Is that so? I find that the people I like tend to be quite boring.

That's sad for you...

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Darlan

[Хahar 🤔]

Flandin

Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

His political evolution could be interesting, on the intellectual point ( how so many pseudo-socialists between the two wars revealed to be disgusting reactionnary fascists ). However, I feel more interested by people I don't despise so much...

Is that so? I find that the people I like tend to be quite boring.

That's sad for you...

I can't imagine the people we like are that different, either.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Flandin

Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

His political evolution could be interesting, on the intellectual point ( how so many pseudo-socialists between the two wars revealed to be disgusting reactionnary fascists ). However, I feel more interested by people I don't despise so much...

Is that so? I find that the people I like tend to be quite boring.

That's sad for you...

I can't imagine the people we like are that different, either.

I also find interesting people I don't like, but Laval not at all...

[Хahar 🤔]

Flandin

Laval was quite a fascinating person. He didn't deserve to die, but he doesn't deserve to stay on here.

Nobody ever deserved to die. But I don't understand what you could find "fascinating" in this disgusting fawning b*stard, responsible of the death of thousands of people....

Ce "bâtard" fut trois fois premier ministre, quoique le peuple le déteste.

Did I get that right?

And so what ? En quoi est-ce fascinant ?

Fascinant n'est pas le bon mot. Il ne t'intéresse pas ?

His political evolution could be interesting, on the intellectual point ( how so many pseudo-socialists between the two wars revealed to be disgusting reactionnary fascists ). However, I feel more interested by people I don't despise so much...

Is that so? I find that the people I like tend to be quite boring.

That's sad for you...

I can't imagine the people we like are that different, either.

I also find interesting people I don't like, but Laval not at all...

He was a great politician. You're not interested by those? If so, I guess there's nothing I can do.

[Antonio the Sixth]

He was a swindling, that's the only reason why he was "a great politician". And I find swindlings like him ( because there are swindlings that did also good things ) extremely boring.

[Хahar 🤔]

He was a swindling, that's the only reason why he was "a great politician". And I find swindlings like him ( because there are swindlings that did also good things ) extremely boring.

Really? I think swindlers are quite interesting. It takes a good deal of skill to do things like what he did.

[Antonio the Sixth]

He was a swindling, that's the only reason why he was "a great politician". And I find swindlings like him ( because there are swindlings that did also good things ) extremely boring.

Really? I think swindlers are quite interesting. It takes a good deal of skill to do things like what he did.

I think to the contrary that his attitude is terribly common...
He just make me think to... ( hash and fab will not appreciate this comment but that's what I really think ), well... our "formerly socialist" ( LOL ) minister of Immigration, Integration and National Identity.

[Hash]

If there is one Vichyist/Collabo in government, it's not Besson, it's Hortefeux. He's pretty much an avowed racist and would have been the first to join on the "travail, famille, patrie" bandwagon in June 1940.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If there is one Vichyist/Collabo in government, it's not Besson, it's Hortefeux. He's pretty much an avowed racist and would have been the first to join on the "travail, famille, patrie" bandwagon in June 1940.

Precisely : Hortefeux would be the ideologue ( Pétain ), and Besson would be the swindling ( Laval ).

[JWHart]

Sorry Hash, but I'll do Darlan first.

He was a real collaborationist: in 1941, he pleased Germans more than Laval before Dec 1940.
He negotiated and signed the agreements that ruled the entire occupation and collaboration regimes.

But he converted before his death.

Flandin.

He "converted" at gunpoint, pretty much.

Darlan

[Хahar 🤔]

Sorry Hash, but I'll do Darlan first.

He was a real collaborationist: in 1941, he pleased Germans more than Laval before Dec 1940.
He negotiated and signed the agreements that ruled the entire occupation and collaboration regimes.

But he converted before his death.

Flandin.

He "converted" at gunpoint, pretty much.

Darlan

Eh, that's debatable.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I hate both Laval and Petain, but this time my vote goes for (or against) Balladur

What? Faced with fascist collaborators and traitors of all stripes, you choose a mediocre '90s right-wing Prime Minister?

To make vote more interesting. Petain and Laval are so obvious and surely will not be survivors

[Hash]

Flandin is eliminated, after a close contest with the kinda-collabo bastard Darlan

Round FOUR is open. Vote away.

Now, I vote Darlan.

[Хahar 🤔]

Darlan

[big bad fab]

If there is one Vichyist/Collabo in government, it's not Besson, it's Hortefeux. He's pretty much an avowed racist and would have been the first to join on the "travail, famille, patrie" bandwagon in June 1940.

Precisely : Hortefeux would be the ideologue ( Pétain ), and Besson would be the swindling ( Laval ).

Houlà...
A very complex debate.

I agree Pétain was full of ideology. Some extreme collaborationists as well.
But MOST of Vichysts were either "sincere" (they really thought war was the most awful thing on earth, because of WWI, which changed French minds A LOT), or opportunistic, or coward, spineless.

So, Hortefeux may of course have been on the wrong side, but more by being opportunistic (Estrosi even more), like Mitterrand.
Bertrand, but also guys like Bayrou, Bartolone, Hollande, may have been spineless and on the wrong side too, whatever their ideas today.

Anyway, Vichy would have been a good test for anyone's personality, but don't forget we can't judge everyone: how would we have done if our families or persons whom we love would have been threatened ?

[big bad fab]

Darlan again, of course.