DWTL is Running for Something

[afleitch]

I agree with Franzl. I find the idea of a Council of Governors abhorrent (Governors alread have a role; as governors) but should one be introduced, regional Senators would have to be abolished.

Well I don't oppose the CoG per se. The role of governor today is largely irrelevant...and personally, I wouldn't have any interest in becoming Governor.

And if we truly went to an entirely at-large Senate, that'd contribute to making Senate elections more interesting, and also add an interesting element to the game by having legislation pass through two hurdles.

My concern would be having a CoG above the Senate. I would prefer a lower house passing bills up.

Make them equal in powers.

I certainly don't think they should be equal in power. Very few bicameral systems internationally have houses with equal power; they have different powers and responsibilities. Any set-up we have should be the same.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I also wouldn't mind a bi-cameral system in which the regional governors...or people that they nominate...form an "upper house" of some sort.

     The prospect of an appointed house of legislature sounds intriguing. It would make the Governorships much more important, though it would also allow for incompetent legislators being appointed due to party politics.

     Maybe every two months the citizens of that region could vote in an up-or-down referendum on the appointed legislator; getting more downs than ups would require the Governor to appoint a replacement.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I agree with Franzl. I find the idea of a Council of Governors abhorrent (Governors alread have a role; as governors) but should one be introduced, regional Senators would have to be abolished.

Well I don't oppose the CoG per se. The role of governor today is largely irrelevant...and personally, I wouldn't have any interest in becoming Governor.

And if we truly went to an entirely at-large Senate, that'd contribute to making Senate elections more interesting, and also add an interesting element to the game by having legislation pass through two hurdles.

My concern would be having a CoG above the Senate. I would prefer a lower house passing bills up.

Make them equal in powers.

I certainly don't think they should be equal in power. Very few bicameral systems internationally have houses with equal power; they have different powers and responsibilities. Any set-up we have should be the same.

     Indeed. The main argument against universalism in the Convention was basically that you had two identical houses, with the universal one most likely being smaller, offering no incentive to move to the non-universal one.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I also wouldn't mind a bi-cameral system in which the regional governors...or people that they nominate...form an "upper house" of some sort.

     The prospect of an appointed house of legislature sounds intriguing. It would make the Governorships much more important, though it would also allow for incompetent legislators being appointed due to party politics.

     Maybe every two months the citizens of that region could vote in an up-or-down referendum on the appointed legislator; getting more downs than ups would require the Governor to appoint a replacement.

If you were to change the Regional Senators into a setup like this I would be able to support that. You could also have a way to get the Regional Assemblies involved. Like have the Governor Appoint, The Assembly confirm, and finally every two months give the citizens an up or down refrendum on the legislator.

[RIP Robert H Bork]

It seems ironic that DWTL, one of the founders of the Regional Protection Party, supports reducing the number of regions.

I of course oppose that proposal and this Council of Governors idea.

[DownWithTheLeft]

It seems ironic that DWTL, one of the founders of the Regional Protection Party, supports reducing the number of regions.

I of course oppose that proposal and this Council of Governors idea.

I want to protect the regions, but I don't see where adding a CoG at the expense of combining a few regions with a vote of their approval is a big deal.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

It seems ironic that DWTL, one of the founders of the Regional Protection Party, supports reducing the number of regions.

I of course oppose that proposal and this Council of Governors idea.

I want to protect the regions, but I don't see where adding a CoG at the expense of combining a few regions with a vote of their approval is a big deal.

Untill you just proposed here, the idea of reducing the regions was almost dead. What procedure shall they be combined. Are you going to use the Federal Government to force regions to be combined against there will?

[DownWithTheLeft]

No, I believe the plan that had been discussed before was to allow regions to vote which states they would absorb

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

No, I believe the plan that had been discussed before was to allow regions to vote which states they would absorb

You should serious read up on the latest proposals. The last proposal was to force combine the regions with the federal. Hell the Constitutional convention even attempted to not even included them in one of the proposals. I suggest you read through the posts in Purple State's "Thoughts from You PO" thread under the Constituional Convention board.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Well, I must say that is disheartening if the anti-regionalists have gotten that much power during my LoA.  Looks like its that much more important I come back

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well, I must say that is disheartening if the anti-regionalists have gotten that much power during my LoA.  Looks like its that much more important I come back

If anything your absence embolded them. Come on lets get this done before he gets back .

[DownWithTheLeft]

I am still chair of the RPP correct?  Time to rev the old machine back up and show we won't stand for this

[SPC]

Wouldn't any anti-region Constitution be stopped when the Dirty South and another region fails to vote for it?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Wouldn't any anti-region Constitution be stopped when the Dirty South and another region fails to vote for it?

Of course, but the Dirty South is the only sure-fire region to stop it.

[Brandon H]

Before considering altering the regions or the federal legislative branch, one must consider the population. Does the population at this time warrant an expanded legislative branch? Probably not. Does the population at this time warrant less regions? Maybe, though if the current increase in voters holds, then there is no point in doing so any more as it should have been done when the population was much lower.

I do like the idea that was proposed in this thread (and has some similarities to the U.S. pre-17th amendment) of having an elected body and a body appointed by the regional government. But if we expand too much, we're less likely to have competitive elections and there even exist the possibility of no one / not enough people running for something.

[SPC]

Before considering altering the regions or the federal legislative branch, one must consider the population. Does the population at this time warrant an expanded legislative branch? Probably not. Does the population at this time warrant less regions? Maybe, though if the current increase in voters holds, then there is no point in doing so any more as it should have been done when the population was much lower.

I do like the idea that was proposed in this thread (and has some similarities to the U.S. pre-17th amendment) of having an elected body and a body appointed by the regional government. But if we expand too much, we're less likely to have competitive elections and there even exist the possibility of no one / not enough people running for something.

I remember my first campaign platform back in April 2007 was to amend the Constitution allow allow the Governors to appoint regional Senators.

[DownWithTheLeft]

PRESS RELEASE

The office of Fmr. Sen. DownWithTheLeft would like to confirm at this time that the former senator is a candidate for the at-large seat being vacated by incoming VP BaconKing.  The former senator has cited a recent spike in anti-regions activity as well as the resignation of Gov. Duke, whom he considers one of his closest ally in Atlasia, as reasons for coming back.  He welcomes the support of all those wishing to return Atlasia to prosperity.  An official campaign kick-off can be expected later this week.

[afleitch]

PRESS RELEASE

The office of Fmr. Sen. DownWithTheLeft would like to confirm at this time that the former senator is a candidate for the at-large seat being vacated by incoming VP BaconKing.  The former senator has cited a recent spike in anti-regions activity as well as the resignation of Gov. Duke, whom he considers one of his closest ally in Atlasia, as reasons for coming back.  He welcomes the support of all those wishing to return Atlasia to prosperity.  An official campaign kick-off can be expected later this week.

Explain?

[DownWithTheLeft]

PRESS RELEASE

The office of Fmr. Sen. DownWithTheLeft would like to confirm at this time that the former senator is a candidate for the at-large seat being vacated by incoming VP BaconKing.  The former senator has cited a recent spike in anti-regions activity as well as the resignation of Gov. Duke, whom he considers one of his closest ally in Atlasia, as reasons for coming back.  He welcomes the support of all those wishing to return Atlasia to prosperity.  An official campaign kick-off can be expected later this week.

Explain?

I have been informed that the ConCon is seeking to eliminate regions

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Before considering altering the regions or the federal legislative branch, one must consider the population. Does the population at this time warrant an expanded legislative branch? Probably not. Does the population at this time warrant less regions? Maybe, though if the current increase in voters holds, then there is no point in doing so any more as it should have been done when the population was much lower.

I do like the idea that was proposed in this thread (and has some similarities to the U.S. pre-17th amendment) of having an elected body and a body appointed by the regional government. But if we expand too much, we're less likely to have competitive elections and there even exist the possibility of no one / not enough people running for something.

I don't recall any offices being added at the federal level. if Regional Senate seats are to be appointed we are still at 5 at Large Senator and 5 Regional Senators. Whether or not they are two separate legislative bodies, doesn't really matter to me. The only new offices would be at the Regional level if assemblies are created but they can easily axe Regional positions(Lt. Gov and Judicial) to get it done, though I would prefer not to do that, I will compromise on that.

[Hash]

PRESS RELEASE

The office of Fmr. Sen. DownWithTheLeft would like to confirm at this time that the former senator is a candidate for the at-large seat being vacated by incoming VP BaconKing.  The former senator has cited a recent spike in anti-regions activity as well as the resignation of Gov. Duke, whom he considers one of his closest ally in Atlasia, as reasons for coming back.  He welcomes the support of all those wishing to return Atlasia to prosperity.  An official campaign kick-off can be expected later this week.

Explain?

I have been informed that the ConCon is seeking to eliminate regions

A few delegates, yes. But not a majority. Or atleast not enough to warrant your ringing alarm bells.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Do you think I honestly read that board yet?  I just wanted a talking point

[afleitch]

PRESS RELEASE

The office of Fmr. Sen. DownWithTheLeft would like to confirm at this time that the former senator is a candidate for the at-large seat being vacated by incoming VP BaconKing.  The former senator has cited a recent spike in anti-regions activity as well as the resignation of Gov. Duke, whom he considers one of his closest ally in Atlasia, as reasons for coming back.  He welcomes the support of all those wishing to return Atlasia to prosperity.  An official campaign kick-off can be expected later this week.

Explain?

I have been informed that the ConCon is seeking to eliminate regions

It's been up for discussion...in the same way that it has been up for discussion for the past few months when you were here and part of the Convention Nothing has changed.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Do you think I honestly read that board yet?  I just wanted a talking point

As I said read the thread created by Purple State at least.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=98178.0

[Marokai Backbeat]

Oh DWTL, fanatical as always. There has been no spike in anti-regionalist activity. I remain someone who is adamantly opposed to eliminating regions or regional senate seats, and there are plenty others.