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« Reply #200 on: June 29, 2009, 10:13:44 PM »

I agree with Hash. We definitely should remove unnecessary regional positions, just as we did in the Mideast Constitution. Also, if progress is made on the Council of Governors idea, I think allowing the Senate to redistrict once a year by a four-fifths majority, with majority approval by the Governors, would provide a good balance and maintain relatively equal regions.

I would prefer they remain static so regional identity remains. However, I guess we could put something like that in there so we don't get a new Pacific-esque region

Redistricting wouldn't drastically change the regions. It would simply move one or two states to even out the number of residents in each.
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« Reply #201 on: June 29, 2009, 10:15:04 PM »

I agree with Hash. We definitely should remove unnecessary regional positions, just as we did in the Mideast Constitution. Also, if progress is made on the Council of Governors idea, I think allowing the Senate to redistrict once a year by a four-fifths majority, with majority approval by the Governors, would provide a good balance and maintain relatively equal regions.

I would prefer they remain static so regional identity remains. However, I guess we could put something like that in there so we don't get a new Pacific-esque region

Redistricting wouldn't drastically change the regions. It would simply move one or two states to even out the number of residents in each.

I see.
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« Reply #202 on: June 29, 2009, 10:31:35 PM »

I agree with Senator-elect on the SoEA, and I would like to see more interaction between the cabinet members and the Senate.

As for unnecessary regions I would disagree that the Judicial officer ensures that all three branches are represented in the Regions, and since this is an American simulation I would prefer to keep that. I also think that risks weakening the regions. The Lt. Governor serves no purpose except make daily inquires on the health of the Governor. LOL Smiley. As such I think it is not the end of the world if isn't filled yet keeping the position around can be a good opportunity to allow a newbie to get good feel for running for, and holding, an officer before becoming Governor, or Senator.

Finally the idea of redistricting every year by the Senate without the consent of the regions would number one violate my principles of regionalism Wink and more importantly sets a precedent whereby the Senate could gerrymander them to preserve the majority in power at the time. It sets a very bad precedent.
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« Reply #203 on: June 29, 2009, 10:45:47 PM »

I agree with Senator-elect on the SoEA, and I would like to see more interaction between the cabinet members and the Senate.

As for unnecessary regions I would disagree that the Judicial officer ensures that all three branches are represented in the Regions, and since this is an American simulation I would prefer to keep that. I also think that risks weakening the regions. The Lt. Governor serves no purpose except make daily inquires on the health of the Governor. LOL Smiley. As such I think it is not the end of the world if isn't filled yet keeping the position around can be a good opportunity to allow a newbie to get good feel for running for, and holding, an officer before becoming Governor, or Senator.

Finally the idea of redistricting every year by the Senate without the consent of the regions would number one violate my principles of regionalism Wink and more importantly sets a precedent whereby the Senate could gerrymander them to preserve the majority in power at the time. It sets a very bad precedent.

Which is why I proposed the CoG must confirm any changes to the regions that are passed by a supermajority of the Senate. And regional legislatures would replace the Lt. Gov. as the training ground for new members.
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« Reply #204 on: June 30, 2009, 04:08:31 AM »

Great Hash, as always. Cheesy
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« Reply #205 on: June 30, 2009, 04:33:00 PM »

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« Reply #206 on: June 30, 2009, 04:35:05 PM »

I agree with Senator-elect on the SoEA, and I would like to see more interaction between the cabinet members and the Senate.

As for unnecessary regions I would disagree that the Judicial officer ensures that all three branches are represented in the Regions, and since this is an American simulation I would prefer to keep that. I also think that risks weakening the regions. The Lt. Governor serves no purpose except make daily inquires on the health of the Governor. LOL Smiley. As such I think it is not the end of the world if isn't filled yet keeping the position around can be a good opportunity to allow a newbie to get good feel for running for, and holding, an officer before becoming Governor, or Senator.

Finally the idea of redistricting every year by the Senate without the consent of the regions would number one violate my principles of regionalism Wink and more importantly sets a precedent whereby the Senate could gerrymander them to preserve the majority in power at the time. It sets a very bad precedent.

Explain this to me. I've never understood this, especially since the regions are creations of the central government and not vice versa.
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« Reply #207 on: July 01, 2009, 05:40:44 PM »
« Edited: July 01, 2009, 05:49:38 PM by Midwest Lt. Governor Vepres »

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Fair Interest Rates Bill Signed Into Law
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The Fair Interest Rates Bill was signed into law by President Bgwah today. The bill capped interest rates on credit cards as well as banning payday loans. The fourth clause included a regionally administered credit education course.

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« Reply #208 on: July 01, 2009, 05:44:35 PM »

It's actually this:

The government of each region shall administer a 6-hour education course on the proper use and risks of credit. Upon completion of the course and passage of a final examination, the government shall offer a loan equal to one year's worth of credit card payments, which shall be paid back to the government at an interest rate of 10%. A passing grade on the final examination shall be deemed as performance exceeding 75%, not to be interpreted as to prevent or overwrite stricter grades in any region.

My bad for not putting that in the quote for final passage. But everyone knew it was there. Tongue
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« Reply #209 on: July 01, 2009, 05:49:53 PM »

It's actually this:

The government of each region shall administer a 6-hour education course on the proper use and risks of credit. Upon completion of the course and passage of a final examination, the government shall offer a loan equal to one year's worth of credit card payments, which shall be paid back to the government at an interest rate of 10%. A passing grade on the final examination shall be deemed as performance exceeding 75%, not to be interpreted as to prevent or overwrite stricter grades in any region.

My bad for not putting that in the quote for final passage. But everyone knew it was there. Tongue

Fixed.
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« Reply #210 on: July 01, 2009, 06:21:20 PM »

It is, in my opinion, the best economic legislation we've implemented in awhile.
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« Reply #211 on: July 02, 2009, 01:28:43 AM »

The Fair Interest Rates Bill is a good example of legislation written by kids who can't do math and who don't understand how lending works.

Which is not terribly surprising.
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« Reply #212 on: July 02, 2009, 01:37:40 AM »

The Fair Interest Rates Bill is a good example of legislation written by kids who can't do math and who don't understand how lending works.

Which is not terribly surprising.

So comment when we are debating these things and help us out. I know you have a better understanding of economics than most people on the forum. Don't just wait for us to pass stuff and then criticize it. Play an active role in shaping policy.

If you propose something better I will gladly propose it next session.
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« Reply #213 on: July 02, 2009, 03:06:06 PM »

The Fair Interest Rates Bill is a good example of legislation written by kids who can't do math and who don't understand how lending works.

Which is not terribly surprising.

So comment when we are debating these things and help us out. I know you have a better understanding of economics than most people on the forum. Don't just wait for us to pass stuff and then criticize it. Play an active role in shaping policy.

If you propose something better I will gladly propose it next session.

Hahah, PS, Sam doesn't work that way. He's much too intelligent to do anything besides vaguely criticizing us proles.
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« Reply #214 on: July 03, 2009, 04:07:59 PM »

Lot's of activity; I'll have an update soon.
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« Reply #215 on: July 03, 2009, 04:35:12 PM »

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No President!
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After the extremely close June '09 Presidential election, Senator PiT, a candidate in the election, sued the Secretary of Forum Affairs EarlAW for allowing Senator Marokai to vote twice. PiT aruged that  “[Marokai] invalidated his vote, pursuant to section 6, clause 4 & section 10, clause 3 of the Consolidated Electoral System Reform Act.” This is significant because, should Marokai's vote be invalidated, PiT would become President instead of Lief.

It is not so clear cut however. Marokai's original vote did not appear in the voting booth, only in Marokai's post history. It is then argued that because of that, the SoFA was allowed to authorize Marokai to vote again.

The case has dragged on until today, when the President-elect is supposed to be sworn in. Because the winner of the Presidential race is not clear, nobody was sworn in as President. The supreme court stated that Bgwah would remain President until a winner had been found.

However, Peter sued the supreme court because he believes that Keystone Phil is the temporary President. Justice Sam Spade dismissed this, saying the court's ruling was only temporary. Yet others, such as Senator Purple State, argue that the SoFA should be acting President because he is next in the line of succession. However, Peter argued that he shouldn't be President because he is involved in the original case, and therefore AG Phil should be acting President.

Just in, Chief Justice bullmoose88 says a court opinion will be up tonight. For now, unclear as to who is acting President.
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« Reply #216 on: July 03, 2009, 05:14:14 PM »

And this is why the Revolution has been implemented.
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« Reply #217 on: July 03, 2009, 05:51:55 PM »

I've almost registered and there is already a Constitutionnal Crisis ! Shocked Shocked Shocked
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« Reply #218 on: July 03, 2009, 05:54:27 PM »

I definitely agree that I should be President Wink
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« Reply #219 on: July 03, 2009, 06:01:05 PM »

I definitely agree that I should be President Wink

I don't see why not. Conflict of interest is not cited (nor should it be) as a reason to ignore the line of succession. As the SoFA will likely always be at the center of such conflicts, it was then silly to place it at such a high place in the order if it would just be ignored.

I have also proposed a new line of succession legislation to ensure that it is clear from now on who is in charge.
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« Reply #220 on: July 03, 2009, 06:09:17 PM »

I, for one, recognize the authority of Acting President Earl. I offer him my full support in these difficult times.

Though if Bgwah wants to be President for another day that's cool as well. Whatevs.
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« Reply #221 on: July 03, 2009, 06:36:27 PM »

As no one has sworn in as acting President, which would also require them to resign from any current positions they may hold, I recognize no presidential authority in Atlasia at the moment. Hopefully the court's decision will fix that soon enough.
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« Reply #222 on: July 03, 2009, 06:39:44 PM »

As no one has sworn in as acting President, which would also require them to resign from any current positions they may hold, I recognize no presidential authority in Atlasia at the moment. Hopefully the court's decision will fix that soon enough.

Actually Phil did, but it got deleted.  He didn't resign as AG though.
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« Reply #223 on: July 03, 2009, 06:40:49 PM »

As no one has sworn in as acting President, which would also require them to resign from any current positions they may hold, I recognize no presidential authority in Atlasia at the moment. Hopefully the court's decision will fix that soon enough.

Actually Phil did, but it got deleted.  He didn't resign as AG though.

That's because Phil is a troll. Wink
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« Reply #224 on: July 03, 2009, 06:41:37 PM »

As no one has sworn in as acting President, which would also require them to resign from any current positions they may hold, I recognize no presidential authority in Atlasia at the moment. Hopefully the court's decision will fix that soon enough.

Actually Phil did, but it got deleted.  He didn't resign as AG though.

In which case his assumption of the presidency would be invalid. In addition, as SoFA EarlAW would be the appropriate next in line to assume the presidency, he would have to indicate he did not want the position for Phil to have such authority. Since Earl indicated he would be open to serving as acting President, I see no reason for Phil to have acted so hastily.
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