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« Reply #200 on: August 20, 2009, 05:37:31 PM »

It'd be nice to see some electoral maps for the 2000- 2008 elections.
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« Reply #201 on: August 20, 2009, 06:25:47 PM »

How would you rank your alternate Presidents in this timeline?
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« Reply #202 on: August 20, 2009, 06:29:40 PM »

I really like this time line, and I've been following it since it started. Smiley I'm glad it ended on such a good note! Cheesy
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« Reply #203 on: August 20, 2009, 06:45:29 PM »

I really like this time line, and I've been following it since it started. Smiley I'm glad it ended on such a good note! Cheesy

Ah so close yet so far, huh HC, yeah fall is always a though season to write anything epsecialy when your still in school. I definatley am digging the idea of President Ann Richards, and im with Barnes that three more electoral maps are sorely needed lol. However, I really think Powell might have stayed a Democrat ITTL, especially due to the Democratic Domination of the late '70's and '80's was right around the height of his military careear. After McCain, I think the GOP would have tried to run a Southern Conservative against Richards like Liddy Dole, Lamar Alexander or Mark Warner.I think Senator Harold Ford Jr. would have been a better candidate to run against Clark in 2008.
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« Reply #204 on: August 20, 2009, 07:31:17 PM »

K, so i'm shifting it from Jackson to Ford Jr.

List of Presidents (9 Democrats, 5 Republicans)
Henry Wallace-D (1945-1949)
Tom Dewey-R (1949-1957)
Henry Wallace-D (1957-1961)
Nelson Rockefeller-R (1961-1965)
John Kennedy-D (1965-1971)
George Smathers-D (1971-1973)
Winthrop Rockefeller-R (1973-1977)
Ronald Reagan-D (1977-1981)
Robert Kennedy-D (1981-1989)
Jack Kemp-R (1989-1997)
Ross Perot-R (1997-2001)
Ann Richards-D (2001-2006)
Wesley Clark-D (2006-2009)
Harold Ford Jr.-D (2009-Present)

Ranking in terms of "Greatness"
1. Jack Kemp
2. Ronald Reagan
3. John Kennedy
4. Tom Dewey
5. Henry Wallace
6. Ann Richards
7. Nelson Rockefller
8. Ross Perot
9. Robert Kennedy
10. Winthrop Rockefeller
11. Wesley Clark
12. George Smathers

In terms of most Liberal (by OTL modern definition) conservative from top to bottom
1. Henry Wallace (moreso the first time)
2. Robert Kennedy
3. Nelson Rockefeller
4. Jack Kennedy
5. Ann Richards
6. Wes Clark
7. Tom Dewey
8. Ronald Reagan
9. Ross Perot
10. Winthrop Rockefeller
11. George Smathers
12. Jack Kemp


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« Reply #205 on: August 22, 2009, 10:36:07 AM »

ok here's lists for the POTUS's, VP's and the failed nominees of this timeline(I kinda guestimated about events in the timeline during the 2k's

President Henry Wallace Timeline: Presidents of the United States

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1933-April 12th 1945*
33. Henry A. Wallace (D-IA): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1949

34. Thomas E. “Tom” Dewey (R-NY): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
35. Henry A. Wallace (D-IA): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961
36. Nelson A. “Rocky” Rockefeller (R-NY): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. John F. “Jack” Kennedy (D-MA): January 20th 1965-August 5th 1971*
38. George A. Smathers (D-FL): August 5th 1971-January 20th 1973

39. Winthrop A. Rockefeller (R-AK): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1977
40. Ronald W. Reagan (D-CA): January 20th 1977-April 22nd 1981*
41. Robert F. “Bobby” Kennedy (D-NY): April 22nd 1981-January 20th 1989

42. Jack F. Kemp (R-NY): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
43. H. Ross Perot (R-TX): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001

44. Dorothy Ann W. Richards (D-TX): January 20th 2001-September 13th 2006**
45. Wesley K. Clark (D-IL): September 13th 2006-January 20th 2009
46. Harold E. Ford Jr. (D-TN): January 20th 2009-???**


Notes.

32. Died in office from a massive cerebral hemorrhage.
37. Died in office due to heart failure.
40. Assassinated by John Hinckley
44. First Female President; Died in office from esophageal cancer.
46. First African American President, and Youngest Elected President (39 at the time of Inauguration).

President Henry Wallace Timeline: Vice Presidents of the United States

33. Henry A. Wallace (D-IA): January 20th 1941-April 12th 1945
Vacant
34. Harold E. Stassen (R-MN): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
35. Albert B. “Happy” Chandler (D-KY): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961
36. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. George A. Smathers (D-FL): January 20th 1965-August 4th 1971
Vacant
38. Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1977
39. Robert F. “Bobby” Kennedy (D-NY): January 20th 1977-April 22nd 1981
Vacant
40. Harold E. Ford Sr. (D-TN): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1989
41. H. Ross Perot (R-TX): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
42. Pete B. Wilson (R-CA): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001

43. Wesley K. Clark (D-IL): January 20th 2001-September 13th 2006
Vacant
44. John F. Kerry (D-MA): January 20th 2009-???*

President Henry Wallace Timeline: Failed nominees.

1944: Thomas E. Dewey (R-NY)/John W. Bricker (R-OH)
1948: Robert S. Kerr (D-OK)/James Roosevelt (D-CA)
1952: Estes Kefauver (D-TN)/Adlai Stevenson II (D-IL)
1956: Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Christian A. Herter (R-MA)
1960: Albert B. Chandler (D-KY)/John F. Kennedy (D-MA)
1964: Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY)/Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)
1968: James A. Rhodes (R-OH)/Winthrop A. Rockefeller (R-AK)
1972: George A. Smathers (D-FL)/Birch E. Bayh II (D-IN)
1976: Winthrop A. Rockefeller (R-AK)/Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ); Eugene J. McCarthy (ND-MN)/Shirley Chisholm (ND-NY)
1980: Robert J. Dole (R-KS)/James R. Thompson Jr. (R-IL)
1984: George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY)
1988: Richard A. Gephardt (D-MO)/Albert A. Gore Jr. (D-TN); John B. Anderson (NR-IL)/James B. Stockdale (NR-CA)
1992: Albert A. Gore Jr. (D-TN)/Patricia Schroeder (D-CO)
1996: James E. Folsom Jr. (D-AL)/Mario M. Cuomo (D-NY)
2000: John S. McCain III (R-AZ)/Carroll A. Campbell Jr. (R-SC)
2004: Pete Wilson (R-CA)/Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
2008: Willard M. Romney (R-MA)/Michael D. “Mike” Huckabee (R-AK); Ronald E. Paul (I-TX)/Angus S. King Jr. (I-ME)
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« Reply #206 on: August 22, 2009, 11:58:18 AM »

Wow Historico! Thanks for the recap. I suppose this is what it feels like for J.K. Rowling or George Lucas when people get into their work. I would only really change one thing: Replace Mike Huckabee with Jon Kyl in 2008, as Huckabee is still a Democrat ITTL
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« Reply #207 on: August 22, 2009, 12:10:19 PM »

It would be really cool to see some election maps for 2000, 2004, and 2008. Smiley
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« Reply #208 on: August 22, 2009, 12:47:30 PM »

It would be really cool to see some election maps for 2000, 2004, and 2008. Smiley

Here ya Go!

2000-I forgot to add that Perot ran as an independent in the summer, due to his unhappiness with the GOP!

Richards/Clark (D)-277
McCain/Campbell (R)-230
Perot/Choate (I)-31
The election hinges on Texas, Ohio, and Florida. The closest is Florida, but Texas is where Perot did the strongest. In her victory speech Richards would claim that "Tonight, I'm proud to say that Texas went pink!"

2004

Richards/Clark (D)-336
Campbell/Alexander (R)-202

2008

Ford Jr./Jack Reed (D)-316
Romney/Kyl (R)-222
Paul/King (I)-0
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« Reply #209 on: August 22, 2009, 01:48:20 PM »

Can you give us some details on the the political spectrum of the Democrats and Republicans?
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« Reply #210 on: August 22, 2009, 04:55:40 PM »

Can you give us some details on the the political spectrum of the Democrats and Republicans?

Absolutely.

Democrats
Social Issues: Pretty moderate, but very big tent. Working class Catholics and Southerners are fairly conservative, but minorities and liberals are more liberal. Party leadership is generally more liberal than conservative.
Domestic Issues: Center-Left. Supportive of New Deal esque domestic programs, but more varied on bigger social programs. Liberals are more supportive of big government programs, such as universal health care and welfare, whereas conservatives are obviously not.
Economic Issues: Left. Catholics, Liberals, working class, and minorities are all pretty united as liberal on the economy. Southerners are the only group that are somewhat conservative on this.
Foreign policy: Center. Large neo-conservative chunk, as well as southerners and working class who are more pro-military.

Republicans
Social Issues: Center-center right. Northeastern and suburban voters much more moderate, westerners more conservative.
Domestic Issues: Center-right. Not entirely anti-big government, more libertarian than conservative.
Economic Issues: Center-Right. Pro free market, pro-buisness, pro-tax cut.
Foreign policy: Generally center-right, but more isolationists (Perot esque voters) than in OTL

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