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« on: October 04, 2004, 04:51:14 AM »

What were McGovern's actual policies?
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2004, 06:43:52 PM »

He ran mainly on pulling troops out of Vietnam.

He had a plan called "Insuring Jobs" that he said would strive to get everyone a job. He came out for bussing and other Civil Rights issues. He never said he favored abortion, legalisation of marijuna, or elimination of the death penalty.

He ran a a Great Society Liberal basicaly.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2004, 12:35:16 AM »

Haha none of those policies mattered as much as whether or not he would have resupplied Israel. Which he probably would have.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2004, 08:28:06 PM »

He wanted to do the right thing. A complete unconditional pullout of Vietnam. It would've been the right thing to do, and he was a great man, and best losing candidate ever.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2004, 09:04:18 PM »

best losing major party candidate then.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2004, 09:35:32 PM »

Gee...all these people just died in Vietnam...I think I'll pull out without even bothering to finish what they died for...

Yep, great man
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2004, 11:53:11 PM »

"how do you ask someone to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

To continue such a disaster that would've simply killed more, including people who never wanted to be there in the first place, for something that was a mistake from the beginning, would be a total crime.

but then do you hate Nixon? Since he did pull out in the end anyway.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2004, 05:36:30 PM »

Vietnam was LBJs mistake. Why don't you point the finger at your own party for that mistake?
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2004, 05:43:16 AM »

The question wasn't who's mistake it was, it was who had the best plan for dealing with it. That said, with hindsight, I would have voted for McGovern. Without HS, I would have a hard time deciding, but might come down on the side of McGovern as well. Nixon was largley an economic liberal as well -- raise taxes, price and wage freezes, etc.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2004, 09:10:22 AM »

I think HHH or Muskie would have dealt with Vietnam better than McGovern and better than Nixon.
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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2004, 03:05:06 AM »

Nixon was a brilliant foreign policy President. Most people are too uneducated to realize that, of course.

As the Vulcans say: "Only Nixon could go to China."

McGovern might have gotten us out of Vietnam... but at the same time stood by as the Soviets hit the Chinese. And they were damn close to doing it. Nixon's resolve was key to deterring the USSR.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2004, 04:07:31 PM »

Sound familliar

"Iraq was Bush's mistake"
"How do you ask the last guy to die for a mistake"
"what kind of message does that send"
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2004, 09:36:35 PM »

Vietnam was LBJs mistake. Why don't you point the finger at your own party for that mistake?

you should know as well as anyone I totally blame LBJ. That doesn't change the fact McGovern was right and Nixon was continuing a mistake. I have a perfectly consistent view, LBJ was wrong, and McGovern was right. What I don't understand is the Republicans who hate both LBJ for starting it, and hate McGovern for wanting to end it.

I don't see what'd be wrong with the Soviets hitting the Chinese though, all it'd do is drain the resources of both and severely weaken the two Communist superpowers. We could've ended the Cold War much quicker with the weakened Soviet Union.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2004, 01:38:20 PM »

Vietnam was LBJ's fault? How exactly?
If you must blame a President, blame Eisenhower.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2004, 12:33:46 AM »

Vietnam was LBJ's fault? How exactly?
If you must blame a President, blame Eisenhower.


LBJ enlarged vietnam as a whole and deepened US involvement.
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2004, 01:52:49 AM »

It certainly was LBJ's fault.  He ran as a peace candidate, accusing Goldwater of wanting a long, drawn out war. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2004, 08:43:12 AM »

As always, there's more than one person that has to be blamed...
The Eisenhower administration certainly created the problem. LBJ certainly vastly increased US involvement.
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2004, 10:04:20 AM »

As always, there's more than one person that has to be blamed...
The Eisenhower administration certainly created the problem. LBJ certainly vastly increased US involvement.

While LBJ vastly increased U.S involvement in Vietnam, I'd guess that pretty much every other President would have done the same thing (besides he was ignorant as far as foriegn policy went, and did what his advisors told him to do).

I blame the French for Vietnam... and Cold War paranoia... and... and... and...
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2004, 10:08:52 AM »

As always, there's more than one person that has to be blamed...
The Eisenhower administration certainly created the problem. LBJ certainly vastly increased US involvement.

While LBJ vastly increased U.S involvement in Vietnam, I'd guess that pretty much every other President would have done the same thing (besides he was ignorant as far as foriegn policy went, and did what his advisors told him to do).

I blame the French for Vietnam... and Cold War paranoia... and... and... and...
The French? The French did have the good sense of pulling out in 54. (Of course they needn't have gone back in in 1945...but that's nowt to do with the cold war and all with colonialism...although that they were encouraged to do so by the Truman administration is a result of the Cold War...)
I can't really see any American politician in 1964/5 not increasing US military strength in Vietnam...not without getting skinned alive by the American media.
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2004, 10:18:08 AM »

The French? The French did have the good sense of pulling out in 54. (Of course they needn't have gone back in in 1945...but that's nowt to do with the cold war and all with colonialism...although that they were encouraged to do so by the Truman administration is a result of the Cold War...)
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2004, 03:41:09 PM »

McGovern didn't advocate the withdrawl of troops from Vietnam until Nixon was elected and LBJ didn't need defending anymore...
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