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ilikeverin
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« on: April 07, 2009, 08:50:01 pm »

I propose that this proposal be renamed Parliamentarian Bicameralism and be replaced with:

"Small Senate (5ish) with power to originate amend legislation
Relatively large Parliament (15ish) with power to originate legislation
PM elected by both houses, presents agenda, followed by NC vote
PM appoints Cabinet members (either office holders or not)
Possible committees in the Parliament, with chairmen and some form of markup?
President with power to dissolve Parliament, but not Senate (I threw this in. It sorta gives the Senate that more regal feel as well)"
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ilikeverin
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2009, 10:20:37 pm »

Okay.

Seeing as there has been no substantive debate for two days, I would like to amend this thread to be titled Presidential Universalism, which constitutes:

  • A President and Vice-President similar to what we have now.
  • An elected Upper House, a Senate, with 15 Senators, elected every two months.
  • A universal Lower House.
  • The abolition of Regions.
  • Cabinet members must be selected from the Senate.
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ilikeverin
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2009, 10:46:02 pm »

Okay.

Seeing as there has been no substantive debate for two days, I would like to amend this thread to be titled Presidential Universalism, which constitutes:

  • A President and Vice-President similar to what we have now.
  • An elected Upper House, a Senate, with 15 Senators, elected every two months.
  • A universal Lower House.
  • The abolition of Regions.
  • Cabinet members must be selected from the Senate.

Those suggestions work work much better if you took it to an already existing proposal for universalism. Stop trying to be difficult.

Then shall we shut this thread down?  If universalism is being "taken to" the universalism thread, so should anti-universalism.
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ilikeverin
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 07:58:09 pm »

Yup (I guess?)
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ilikeverin
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2009, 05:25:25 pm »

What were the proposed powers of the President in this proposal again, anyway?
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2009, 04:40:10 pm »

Argh, now someone is introducing the status quo as an option?

Well, congrats, you win the convention.
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« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2009, 04:51:00 pm »

I'm fairly surprised there's any lobbying for more Senate seats to be elected by regions considering the number of candidates who ran for Senate this time around.  In fact, if we're keeping the Regions, the number of Senate seats should be decreased, not increased.  Or perhaps put a cap on the number of people who can hold regional office.  Overall, we seem to have a shortage of people who want to run for anything.
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ilikeverin
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« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2009, 05:45:40 pm »

I'm fairly surprised there's any lobbying for more Senate seats to be elected by regions considering the number of candidates who ran for Senate this time around.  In fact, if we're keeping the Regions, the number of Senate seats should be decreased, not increased.  Or perhaps put a cap on the number of people who can hold regional office.  Overall, we seem to have a shortage of people who want to run for anything.

Decreased? We have a record number of citizens and more voters now than we have previously.

I really doubt that.

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Number of regions with competitive Senate elections (defined as ones that went past the first round)

Feb 2008: 1
June 2008: 2
Oct 2008: 1 (though "spoiled ballots" almost beat than all other candidates combined in this one)
Feb 2009: 2
June 2009: 0?

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That's something I could live with.
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ilikeverin
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2009, 05:18:08 pm »

I would say that the Midwest election is competitive. It would be more competitive if you, Jas, and Lewis Trondheim voted for Fritz.

Ah, competition by compulsion, I hadn't thought of that Wink
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ilikeverin
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2009, 07:14:29 pm »

I would say that the Midwest election is competitive. It would be more competitive if you, Jas, and Lewis Trondheim voted for Fritz.

Ah, competition by compulsion, I hadn't thought of that Wink

Well, with all due respect, Fritz is fairly close to your ideologies, and if you didn't spend so much time complaining about salads and talking about "loonyism" and more time taking things seriously and giving proper candidates due consideration, elections might turn out differently than they do now. You act like class clowns and then complain when the class doesn't turn out well.

Don't worry, I understand that teh intarwebs is only for Very Srs Business.  Fritz is close to my ideology, but he started a thread called "No change!", whereas I've been calling for a complete overhaul of the entire system.  The Senate's ideological decisions have no impact whatsoever on my life in Atlasia, while forum affairs decisions do; thus, forum affairs are a more important component to my decision than ideology.
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