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DownWithTheLeft
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« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2009, 09:27:38 am »

I have a question:

Again, is this really a big deal?  What is the harm even if these people vote?  We can just ignore their vote or have the moderators delete it just as we do whenever Ogis creates new accounts.  I do not quite get the analogy to a jailbreak, its more like a person in jail wrote on the walls and now we have to clean it off.
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« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2009, 07:37:13 pm »

I would just make sure there is a fair amount of leeway for a case like this. Some people can just forget and don't mean any harm. It is one thing if someone starts trying to vote in every election knowing full well they are banned from doing so, but with long sentences it is possible for someone to slip. I would want to avoid punishing a non-issue done with no harm intended. Otherwise, I think this is pretty sound legislation.
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« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2009, 09:23:17 pm »

     Just to make it clear if I had not done so earlier, this bill is useless for punishing people who use socks to vote while banned for voting. A law already exists to do so with more teeth, & I intend to vote nay on this.
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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2009, 10:25:04 pm »

I, too, plan to vote against this. A redundancy at best.
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2009, 10:34:26 pm »

I am a little concerned about the possibility of prosecuting a genuine mistake, as was mentioned by PurpleState. This may particularly be the case of someone who votes while banned in the final day or two of their sentence. It would in that case, I believe, be overly harsh - particularly if their voting ban concluded part-way through an election and their mistake was a matter of timezones rather than a deliberate attempt to circumvent their punishment.

Perhaps we could look at incorporating this as an amendment to the legislation banning the use of voting with a sock - that if someone votes with a sock while banned, the punishment is more severe than merely voting with a sock.
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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2009, 10:56:56 pm »

Perhaps we could look at incorporating this as an amendment to the legislation banning the use of voting with a sock - that if someone votes with a sock while banned, the punishment is more severe than merely voting with a sock.

     What would you suggest for the punishment in such a case?
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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2009, 09:36:27 am »

Perhaps we could look at incorporating this as an amendment to the legislation banning the use of voting with a sock - that if someone votes with a sock while banned, the punishment is more severe than merely voting with a sock.

     What would you suggest for the punishment in such a case?

I'm new to the Senate and haven't looked through the legislation covering that crime yet. I'll take the question on notice and respond to the Senator for the Southeast in time.
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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2009, 11:14:31 am »

I call for a vote on final passage with Smid's amendment included which was accepted by Lief as friendly.
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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2009, 12:50:10 pm »

Oh, friendly amendment to change the title to "Voting While Banned Act". Whilst sounds dumb. Tongue

But yeah, final vote soon please.
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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2009, 01:03:56 pm »

Calling for a final vote:

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AYE
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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2009, 01:07:58 pm »

Aye
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DownWithTheLeft
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2009, 01:26:09 pm »

Nay, I still don't get the point
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2009, 01:33:31 pm »

Aye.
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2009, 04:02:47 pm »

     Nay, for the same reason as DWTL.
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2009, 04:10:32 pm »

Aye
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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2009, 06:05:45 pm »

Aye.
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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2009, 07:38:12 pm »

Nay, for the same reason as DWTL and PiT.
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« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2009, 01:32:58 pm »

Aye: 5 (HappyWarrior, Franzl, Realisticidealist, MasterJedi, Smid)
Nay: 3 (DWTL, PiT, SPC)

not voting: 2 (Lief, Bacon King)



We're really falling into inactivity....I hope we can get this done here.
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« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2009, 01:58:41 pm »

Aye.
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« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2009, 02:21:59 pm »

Well, this is passing now.
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« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2009, 02:41:36 pm »

Aye. Sorry for the belated vote here, last week was my spring break so I haven't really been at the computer much.
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« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2009, 03:19:10 pm »

     Congratulations on passing a completely pointless bill.
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« Reply #47 on: March 29, 2009, 03:44:00 pm »

     Congratulations on passing a completely pointless bill.
Yeah, I am seriously who other than Constine was banned from Atlasia and not the forum as a whole?
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« Reply #48 on: March 29, 2009, 03:49:38 pm »

Theoretically, aren't ALL laws in Atlasia pointless? Smiley
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« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2009, 04:17:32 pm »

Theoretically, aren't ALL laws in Atlasia pointless? Smiley

Shh! Don't say that so loudly. Wink
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