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« on: March 17, 2009, 02:50:14 AM »

Does anyone know when these are going to be released?
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2009, 03:15:07 AM »

In the next 2 weeks.
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2009, 09:07:37 AM »

County and metro estimates will be released sometime this month. City estimates will be released around july.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2009, 11:33:24 PM »

The county estimates have just been released. They are at:

http://www.census.gov/popest/estimates.html

I see they are continuing with this Excel/CSV crap and not just posting the numbers on their website like they used to. That is very inconvenient of them.

Great news is the fastest growing county is Kendall in Illinois. Good to see a non-Sunbelt place at #1.

If these are accurate, 4 counties will have doubled between 2000 and 2010:

Kendall, IL     (suburban Chicago. Why it and Will are growing so fast is a mystery)
Flagler, FL      (Small Coastal County in Northeast Florida. Had fastest growth in the entire country in the 1980's)
Pinal, AZ        (South of Phoenix, will be hard hit by the recession.)
Rockwall, TX   (Small suburban county just east of Dallas)

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2009, 02:19:11 AM »

Last year both Nassau & Suffolk County on LI challenged the Census Bureau estimates and won.

Nassau is now listed at 1,351,625 up from 1,334,544 in the 2000 census, the previous estimate had Nassau at 1,306,533 last year which was revised to 1,353,061  The new revisions so a slight loss over the last few years down from 1,356,857 in 2004.

Suffolk is now listed at 1,512,224 up from 1,419,389 in the 2000 census.  this is up very slightly from the revised estimate of 1,511,732 in 07, they previously  had Suffolk at 1,453,229.

Overall NY was at 19,490,297 up from the 07 estimate of 19,429,316 and the 2000 census of 18,976,457
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2009, 06:47:04 AM »

The county estimates have just been released. They are at:

http://www.census.gov/popest/estimates.html

I see they are continuing with this Excel/CSV crap and not just posting the numbers on their website like they used to. That is very inconvenient of them.

Great news is the fastest growing county is Kendall in Illinois. Good to see a non-Sunbelt place at #1.

If these are accurate, 4 counties will have doubled between 2000 and 2010:

Kendall, IL     (suburban Chicago. Why it and Will are growing so fast is a mystery)
Flagler, FL      (Small Coastal County in Northeast Florida. Had fastest growth in the entire country in the 1980's)
Pinal, AZ        (South of Phoenix, will be hard hit by the recession.)
Rockwall, TX   (Small suburban county just east of Dallas)

There are two reasons fueling the growth in Kendall and Will in the SW Chicago metro. First is they are in the next band of open land around Chicago. Second is that they are within a reasonable commute of jobs in the suburbs along I-88 in southern DuPage and Kane (Naperville, Aurora, Oak Brook, Downers Grove), and I-55 in Will (Joliet, Bolingbrook). The businesses located along those highways in the 1990s spurred the housing boom there in this decade.
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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2009, 01:16:05 AM »

The county estimates have just been released. They are at:

http://www.census.gov/popest/estimates.html

I see they are continuing with this Excel/CSV crap and not just posting the numbers on their website like they used to. That is very inconvenient of them.

Great news is the fastest growing county is Kendall in Illinois. Good to see a non-Sunbelt place at #1.

If these are accurate, 4 counties will have doubled between 2000 and 2010:

Kendall, IL     (suburban Chicago. Why it and Will are growing so fast is a mystery)
Flagler, FL      (Small Coastal County in Northeast Florida. Had fastest growth in the entire country in the 1980's)
Pinal, AZ        (South of Phoenix, will be hard hit by the recession.)
Rockwall, TX   (Small suburban county just east of Dallas)



The press release says St. Bernard Parish, Louisiana was the fastest-growing county from 2007-2008.  Orleans was third.
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« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 01:49:31 AM »

Last year both Nassau & Suffolk County on LI challenged the Census Bureau estimates and won.

Nassau is now listed at 1,351,625 up from 1,334,544 in the 2000 census, the previous estimate had Nassau at 1,306,533 last year which was revised to 1,353,061  The new revisions so a slight loss over the last few years down from 1,356,857 in 2004.

Suffolk is now listed at 1,512,224 up from 1,419,389 in the 2000 census.  this is up very slightly from the revised estimate of 1,511,732 in 07, they previously  had Suffolk at 1,453,229.

Overall NY was at 19,490,297 up from the 07 estimate of 19,429,316 and the 2000 census of 18,976,457

The fastest-growing New York county from 2007 to 2008 in percentage terms was Richmond (Staten Island).  It's the only county that kept pace with the national growth rate.  Next fastest were Orange (exurban NYC), Tompkins (Ithaca), Saratoga (suburban Albany), Ontario (south of Rochester), Kings (Brooklyn), Queens, and Schenectady.

The fastest-declining counties were all Upstate, with Lewis County in the Adirondacks leading the way.  Downstate, only Nassau County lost population (-0.11%).   Putnam, Ulster and Suffolk Counties were relatively flat.
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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2009, 01:57:04 AM »

Fastest growers in the past year:

1. St. Bernard, LA: +12.8%
2. Pinal, AZ: +8.8%
3. Orleans, LA: +8.2%
4. Kendall, IL: +7.1%
5. Teton, ID: +6.5%
6. Sublette, WY: +6.4%
7. Forsyth, GA: +6.3%
8. Williamson, TX: +6.0%
9. Rich, UT: +5.6%
10. Geary, KS: +5.5%
11. Kendall, TX: +5.5%
12. Rockwall, TX: +5.3%
13. Hays, TX: +5.3%
14. Franklin, WA: +5.3%
15. Lincoln, SD: +5.3%

Biggest losers:

1. Loving, TX: -22.2% Cry
2. Kiowa, KS: -13.4%
3. Alpine, CA: -6.9%
4. Arthur, NE: -4.5%
5. Harding, NM: -4.5%
6. Crowley, CO: -4.4%
7. Sioux, NE: -4.3%
8. King, TX: -4.1%
9. McCullen, TX: -4.0%
10. Liberty, MT: -4.0%
11. Vernon, LA: -4.0%
12. Sheridan, ND: -3.8%
13. Towner, ND: -3.7%
14. Loup, NE: -3.6%
15. Bristol Bay, AK: -3.6%
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« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2009, 02:05:44 AM »

Biggest losers:

1. Loving, TX: -22.2% Cry

12 people weren't loving Loving County.  So they left the other 42 souls behind.
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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2009, 02:11:46 AM »
« Edited: March 20, 2009, 02:13:33 AM by Alcon »

Biggest losers:

1. Loving, TX: -22.2% Cry

12 people weren't loving Loving County.  So they left the other 42 souls behind.

Have you ever had the pleasure of reading up on Loving County?  There needs to be a television miniseries before it's too late.  So much potential.

Cumulative since 2000 [with 2007-2008 rank in brackets]:

Gainers
1. Kendall, IL: +89.7% [#4]
2. Flagler, FL: +83.1% [#73]
3. Pinal, AZ: +82.1% [#2]
4. Rockwall, TX: +80.2% [#12]
5. Loudoun, VA: +71.0% [#24]
6. Forsyth, GA: +70.8% [#7]
7. Lincoln, SD: +64.6% [#15]
8. Paulding, GA: +63.0% [#27]
9. Henry, GA: +60.5% [#88]
10. Douglas, CO: +59.7% [#68]
11. Newton, GA: +58.9% [#127]
12. Williamson, TX: +57.7% [#8]
13. Union, NC: +56.3% [#16]
14. Collin, TX: +55.0% [#33]
15. Lyon, NV: +53.7% [#640]

Wonder what drove the growth in Lyon County that crashed so quickly.

Losers
3190. St. Bernard, LA: -43.9% [#1]
3189. Loving, TX: -37.3% [#3190]
3188. Orleans, LA: -35.7% [#3]
3187. Esmeralda, NV: -30.3% [#2973]
3186. Cameron, LA: -27.6% [#3123]
3185. Issaquena, MS: -27.1% [#2242]
3184. Blaine, NE: -26.6% [#3147]
3183. Treasure, MT: -26.0% [#3069]
3182. Sheridan, ND: -26.0% [#3179]
3181. Bristol Bay, AK: -24.2% [#3176]
3180. Campbell, SD: -24.1% [#3166]
3179. Arthur, NE: -23.9% [#3187]
3178. Towner, ND: -23.4% [#3178]
3177. Garden, NE: -23.0% [#3173]
3176. Kiowa, KS: -22.5% [#3189]
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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2009, 02:54:55 AM »
« Edited: March 20, 2009, 04:33:56 AM by cinyc »

Have you ever had the pleasure of reading up on Loving County?  There needs to be a television miniseries before it's too late.  So much potential.

Cumulative since 2000 [with 2007-2008 rank in brackets]:

Gainers
1. Kendall, IL: +89.7% [#4]
2. Flagler, FL: +83.1% [#73]
3. Pinal, AZ: +82.1% [#2]
4. Rockwall, TX: +80.2% [#12]
5. Loudoun, VA: +71.0% [#24]
6. Forsyth, GA: +70.8% [#7]
7. Lincoln, SD: +64.6% [#15]
8. Paulding, GA: +63.0% [#27]
9. Henry, GA: +60.5% [#88]
10. Douglas, CO: +59.7% [#68]
11. Newton, GA: +58.9% [#127]
12. Williamson, TX: +57.7% [#8]
13. Union, NC: +56.3% [#16]
14. Collin, TX: +55.0% [#33]
15. Lyon, NV: +53.7% [#640]

Wonder what drove the growth in Lyon County that crashed so quickly.

Yup.  There's not even a school in the county.  And it's not uncommon for there to be more voters than residents in local elections.  Kind of like a smaller Cook County.

As for Lyon County, NV, some of the growth appears to be in the city of Fernley (according to the Census, approximately +4200 people in the CDP and +50% from the city's incorporation in 2001 to 2007; according to the Nevada State Demographer, +10,800/+122% from April 2000 to July 2008), in the north part of the county off of I-80.  According to Wikipedia, Amazon.com built a warehouse/distribution center there, others followed, and the city grew.  And it's also a bedroom community for Reno. 

Yerington, the county seat in the middle of the county, also grew by about 1,000 people (+34%) from 2000 to 2007, according to the 2007 estimates.   

I suspect that some of the rest of the growth was in the Dayton Valley area near Carson City - basically, suburban sprawl from Carson City and Reno.  You can see what's clearly new construction on Google Maps in and around the US-50/NV-79 junction.

By the way, the Nevada State Demographer thinks Lyon County growth was -0.1% from July 2007 to July 2008.  It started trailing off from near-double-digit growth to 3.5% in the prior year.

One of the things that might have slowed growth in the Fernley area was a levee breach last January that flooded 400 homes.  And like other exurban areas, I suspect it has been hit hard by the housing market.
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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2009, 03:55:15 PM »

Fastest growers in the past year:

1. St. Bernard, LA: +12.8%

Recovering from being destroyed by Katrina.
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Phoenix outer-suburbia IIRC

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Recovering from being damaged by Katrina.
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Reasons mentioned already.

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Tourist industry doing well? Or the retirement side of things?

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Hilarious name. Presumably same factors as Tits.
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Fascists like to live amonst their own volk, so, yeah.
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Outer-Austin

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Know nowt of this place, other than it voted 80% McCain.
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Just next to Bexar, so is presumably being submerged by the suburban mushroom.

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Dallas suburbia. Mushrooming for years.
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More outer-Austin.

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wtf

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Sioux Falls suburbs

Biggest losers:

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Rural depopulation. I'll second the Cry

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Guessed rural depopulation, but a quick google search doth instead show up something about a nasty tornado hitting the main town in 2007.

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This place is weird.

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I'm going to guess "rural depopulation" for all of these, and I reckon I'll mostly be right...

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Bristol Bay itself is pretty remote, presumably the place named for it is as well.
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2009, 04:36:29 PM »
« Edited: March 20, 2009, 04:51:46 PM by cinyc »

Sublette's growth probably has more to do with developing natural gas and oil fields than tourism or retirement.  It's off the beaten tourist track.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2009, 05:49:17 PM »
« Edited: March 20, 2009, 05:55:16 PM by Alcon »

Yeah, Sublette is Green River country.  Old ranching country now gaining from an oil boom.  No tourism there whatsoever.  No one would want to.  Terrible place.

Franklin, WA, is Pasco.  The Tri-Cities (Pasco/Richland/Kennewick) have an especially strong economy, and there is a lot of incredibly cheap, flat land to build unless subdivisions on.  Amusing demographics.  It started with a Hispanic pocket in center city, which has gradually been expanding in exact proportion as the subdevelopments expand outward.  Also a terrible place.

Teton, ID, is Jackson Hole spill-over, yes.  Were the voting patterns this year any hint? Tongue

Rich, UT, uh...I have no idea.  Totally off the radar in previous years.  Bear Lake is there, and it's a tourist area.  All I know about Rich County is that its county seat, Randolph, gave like 96% to Bush.  (Edit: And here's the condescending news article).  Oddly, Randolph was down 5% since 2000 as of last year.  It's not even on the lake.  Terrible.

Geary, KS is Junction City.  Fort Riley is there, and I would be surprised if its growth was at all remarkable off-fort.  Junction City, after all, is a terrible place.  (Notice a pattern?)

I have no idea what's going on in Alpine, CA...shouldn't that place be growing?  Inexplicable to me.
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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2009, 07:34:19 PM »

Yeah, Sublette is Green River country.  Old ranching country now gaining from an oil boom.  No tourism there whatsoever.  No one would want to.  Terrible place.

I just noted that it borded Tits County and guessed. Oh well. Sublette remains a hilarious name.

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2009, 08:14:08 PM »
« Edited: March 20, 2009, 08:16:54 PM by cinyc »

Rich County, UT is so small that a few families moving in or out could affect the numbers.  Based on the 2007 city estimates, some more people probably moved into the Garden City area (on Bear Lake)  year-round.

Same with Alpine County, CA.
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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2009, 03:54:46 PM »

Biggest losers:

1. Loving, TX: -22.2% Cry

12 people weren't loving Loving County.  So they left the other 42 souls behind.

Have you ever had the pleasure of reading up on Loving County?  There needs to be a television miniseries before it's too late.  So much potential.
'Lonesome Dove', by Larry McMurtry which was the basis for a miniseries of the same name was based loosely on the life of Oliver Loving (and Charles Goodnight).  Oliver Loving is the namesake of Loving County.
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2009, 04:03:14 PM »


Is this McMullen, McCulloch, or McLennan?
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2009, 11:23:24 PM »


McCulloch.  This is how you know that you have too many counties Tongue
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2009, 01:51:26 AM »


McCulloch.  This is how you know that you have too many counties Tongue
It's McMullen after all.  So the the three big losers in Texas (King, McMullen, and Loving) are all sparsely populated.  King in the NW part of the state is surrounded by lots of other losing counties (no water, no oil => no people).  McMullen is in south Texas.  All ranches.  Tilden has a cemetery in the town square named Boot Hill.

Boot Hill

Ironically, Loving is surrounded by 3 fast growing counties (17th, 29th, and 30th).  The top 10 in Texas are all suburban, but then you start getting into some counties with oil booms, including Ward, Winkler, and Pecos.
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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2009, 01:55:19 AM »


Biggest losers:

6. Crowley, CO: -4.4%

Lots of prisons.  Maybe another unit was opened elsewhere and some prisoners/guards were moved.
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2009, 02:27:49 AM »


Hilarious name. Presumably same factors as Tits.
William Sublette

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Just next to Bexar, so is presumably being submerged by the suburban mushroom.
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Tri-Cities, but not in the immediate area of Hanford, so sort of suburban growth.

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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2009, 02:42:40 AM »


McCulloch.  This is how you know that you have too many counties Tongue
It's McMullen after all.  So the the three big losers in Texas (King, McMullen, and Loving) are all sparsely populated.  King in the NW part of the state is surrounded by lots of other losing counties (no water, no oil => no people).  McMullen is in south Texas.  All ranches.  Tilden has a cemetery in the town square named Boot Hill.

Boot Hill

Ironically, Loving is surrounded by 3 fast growing counties (17th, 29th, and 30th).  The top 10 in Texas are all suburban, but then you start getting into some counties with oil booms, including Ward, Winkler, and Pecos.

God, you're right, I'm sorry.  I just eyeballed the estimate numbers and then looked at the wrong row.
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