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Question: Is this blatantly hypocritical?
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Keystone Phil
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2009, 11:44:47 PM »


And yet you're remarkably unwilling to give hearing to Judaism's justifications on this issue...

Uh...what?

I heard out the "justification." Frankly, I don't care what they do. However, I do care when I'm called out for turning people off for doing exactly what observant Jews do!

His whole purpose is to prove to me why it's ok that Jews want members that follow their customs. That's great! My problem is that I can't even call out people for not following my customs and that doesn't even include wanting them kicked out or anything.

He continued to twist my own views (saying that I believe people that don't celebrate Lent are going to Hell, that people that live good lives but don't accept Christ are going to Hell...which is hilarious because he basically said that the Jesuits, of all people, teach that!) and the views of my Church. He lectures me for turning people off and yet he doesn't entertain why his religion is a turn off.

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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2009, 12:04:13 AM »

Sorry, this is probably why I shouldn't post during physics lab.  I can't find his justification in this topic.  Can you link me?

"Doesn't entertain why his religion was a turn-off" sounds pretty funny btw
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2009, 12:29:56 PM »

Sorry, this is probably why I shouldn't post during physics lab.  I can't find his justification in this topic.  Can you link me?

Just go to the topic in the Forum Community. It's the Lent debate.  Tongue
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2009, 02:46:45 PM »

I see a logically meaningful distinction, here:

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My vote is thus no.

Here's an analogy.  You own a security guard business.  There are two types of behaviors:

1. You warn potential security guards of the dangers associated with work.  You tell them that the hours may be long, and the pay not so great.  Perhaps they have a family who relies on them, and would be in dire straits if they were harmed.  You encourage them to think through the decision in detail, and suggest that being a security guard is not for everyone.

2. You overwork your employees, giving them longer hours and overly strict rules.  You dock their pay and refuse bonuses.  Even though they are confirmed as committed to the job, they become driven away because of your brash and inappropriate behavior.

He is accusing you of acts analogous to (2).  Holding that (2) is wrong while (1) is acceptable, is not hypocritical.  In fact, one could make a strong argument that not doing (1) will inevitably lead to weak converts who lack true dedication, and will dilute the faith.

You may disagree -- but it is not innately hypocritical.
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2009, 07:05:36 PM »

Alcon, that doesn't make sense. You're a known religion hater. Game over.
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« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2009, 04:58:34 AM »

Alcon, that doesn't make sense. You're a known religion hater. Game over.

I can't tell if you're being flip or serious Sad
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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2009, 12:26:23 PM »

That was a very good explanation, Alcon, I thought.
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