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« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2009, 06:46:26 PM »

Is there any chance Obama would veto it?  Presidents were originally only supposed to veto bills that went against the Constitution; might Obama do that?

There are few bills Obama is less likely to veto. I'm sure he completely supports it.

I'm hoping the lawyer in him will recognize how unconstitutional this bill is, and that will lead him to veto it.

I'd take fair over constitutional any day of the week.  Your argument is so ridiculous.

The only thing that's ridiculous is ignoring the Constitution because someone thinks the result is fair.  The only thing that's fair to all of us is to follow the Constitution, lest it be ignored on a whim due to somebody's arbitrary view of fairness. 

If DC wants a voting House member, amend the Constitution.

Oh give me a f**** break.  DC not only wants a voting House member, but they deserve one as well.  Would you like it if someone deprived you of the right to be represented in Congress?  The Constitution was written at a time when Washington DC didn't even exist.  Get over it already.

Deserve one?  No.  It's not in the constitution.  Your same "fairness"  non-argument could be used to claim that D.C. also "deserves" two Senators, or New York "deserves" 29 times more Senators than Wyoming. 

Nobody is forced to live in Washington D.C. at gunpoint.  If they want voting representation in the House and Senate, they could move across the Potomac to Virginia or up the Metro to Maryland.  Anyone who lives in or moves to D.C. knows that they don't get a voting representative in Congress. 

Contrary to your assertion, the Framers of the Constitution very well anticipated that the federal government might create a federal district that would become the seat of the government.  References to it were included in the Constitution (See Article I, Section 8, Clause 17).  The Framers very well could have said that that District would be treated as the same as a State and be represented in the House and Senate.  They didn't.  Why?  Because the District was never intended to be a sovereign state.  It is an outpost of the federal government run by the federal government.

Moreover, the Constitution has been amended to give DC residents electoral votes for President.  It could be amended again to give it representation in the House.  That's the only fair way to do it.  Mere acts of Congress don't trump the Constitution.



Exactly, if the writers of the Constitution wanted the federal district to have a vote in Congress, then there is no reason to suppose that they would not have included just that.
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« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2009, 05:58:01 AM »

At one time the Constitution was clear that women could not vote. Your point is?
Not true.  It was silent on the issue.  Each State could decide, and did decide.
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« Reply #52 on: March 02, 2009, 06:23:46 AM »

Conversely, Article I Section 2 Clause 3 makes it explicit that only States have Representatives.  There are only three ways for the district to vote for Representatives constitutionally:
1) Retrocession to Maryland
2) Admission as a State
3) Pass a Constitutional Amendment
4) Political retrocession.  Let residents vote in Maryland federal elections.
5) General political retrocession.  Let residents vote in the federal elections of the State of their choice.
6) Combination of Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, West Virgina, and District of Columbia in a single State.
7) Statehood for Montgomery, Prince Georges, Arlington, and Fairfax counties, Alexandria, Falls Church, Fairfax, Washington, and Georgetown cities.

Neither Maryland nor DC is in favor of retrocession and while the consent of DC is not needed, that of Maryland is.

DC is simply too dependent on the Federal Government to be granted Statehood

The Constitutional Amendment route was tried once before, but only 16 States approved it before the Amendment expired.  Still it could be tried again perhaps without a seven-year limit to let the idea percolate longer.
The issue has never formally been presented to Maryland.  It could include the incentive to take Washington back, or the capital moves to a more central location.
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« Reply #53 on: March 02, 2009, 06:31:57 AM »

You're acting as if people have never been born in DC...
About 1/4 of the Maryland legislature was born in D.C.
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