Women in the Armed Forces

[John Dibble]

Pick apart the example if you wish, but I was pointing out that motivation can fuel one's ability to fight. The point is that those women who are motivated enough to fight in the military could be just as effective as men - in our discussion on the draft we clearly acknowledged the fact that men motivated to fight are superior fighters than those who don't wish to fight. Many people joined the military after 9/11 because they wanted to protect their friends and families from the terrorist threat - protecting loved ones is not motivation enough to make women capable fighters?

[Gabu]

You have no idea if the majority of women are weaker than most men? Are you serious?

And I thought the United States were screwed up...

I love how you always pick out the one part that you can most easily criticize and completely ignore the rest, even if the one part is really completely irrelevant to the major topic at hand.  Really makes for great debating.

[A18]

Except I never mentioned women being weaker as one of my reasons. I just responded to it when other people brought it up.

[John Dibble]

The majority of women are weaker than the majority of men - that's true. Of course, more men than women will even want to join the military, and those that do will likely be stronger than most women. As I said before, those that do have to prove they can keep up with the men. Everyone must at least pass basic training before they can be sent to the field, be they men or women. Keep the standards the same for both, and don't decrease the standards.

Seperate question for you Phillip, before I turn in for the night: Should we allow women to participate in espionage?

[nomorelies]

Women should be allowed to fight like men

[The Dowager Mod]

HAHA.
Funny thread.

[A18]

The majority of women are weaker than the majority of men - that's true. Of course, more men than women will even want to join the military, and those that do will likely be stronger than most women. As I said before, those that do have to prove they can keep up with the men. Everyone must at least pass basic training before they can be sent to the field, be they men or women. Keep the standards the same for both, and don't decrease the standards.

Seperate question for you Phillip, before I turn in for the night: Should we allow women to participate in espionage?

The standards are not the same for both (the way it is right now).

Anyway, as for espionage, that's different. I haven't seen any evidence as to why we shouldn't, whereas in the military it's actually deteriorated the qualify of our armed forces.

[John Dibble]

The majority of women are weaker than the majority of men - that's true. Of course, more men than women will even want to join the military, and those that do will likely be stronger than most women. As I said before, those that do have to prove they can keep up with the men. Everyone must at least pass basic training before they can be sent to the field, be they men or women. Keep the standards the same for both, and don't decrease the standards.

Seperate question for you Phillip, before I turn in for the night: Should we allow women to participate in espionage?

The standards are not the same for both (the way it is right now).

If the standards are different, they shouldn't be. As I said - equal standards for both, as we do not want soldiers who can't keep up with the group. The 'Army of One' thing is complete idiocy - the army is a team, even if composed of specialists, because only by working together can those specialists accomplish anything.

[badnarikin04]

Women should be able to do whatever they want. Gays too.


Phillip, your sig is terribly incorrect. Terrorists must love Bush.

If he can't catch Bin Laden, then what makes you think he could catch anybody else?

[??????????]

Women should be able to join the military but not be allowed in front line combat roles.

[A18]

If he can't catch Bin Laden, then what makes you think he could catch anybody else?

I don't know...maybe because 2/3 of top al Qaeda operatives have been captured or killed.

[© tweed]

Women should be allowed to serve and should be drafter if a draft was reinstituted.

Even if a woman couldn't fight in a war physically, she could still help out overseas.

[A18]

If they draft women, I'm going to fight on the other side.

[John Dibble]

If they draft women, I'm going to fight on the other side.

What if the other side drafts women too?

[Jake]

If they draft women, I'm going to fight on the other side.

What if the other side drafts women too?

The other side doesn't allow women to show skin.

[Huckleberry Finn]

I think that women should be allowed to serve in the military, but I don't like female soldiers. Killing is not women's business and I wouldn't like to kill women in the battlefield. Women should be tender and sensitive not amazons.

[12th Doctor]

I have but one concern when it comes to the issue of women in combat duty and that is what our enemies do when they capture them.  Rape is far worse than the standard beating.

[Nym90]

I definitely support women being allowed to fight. If a woman fully understands the dangers of going into combat and still wants to do it, there is no reason why they shouldn't be allowed.

I oppose the draft for everyone, thus I answered 1 instead of 2, since I felt that more closely represented my position. As long as there is going to be a draft, women shouldn't be excluded from it. They of course can attempt to give the same excuses for not being able to fight that are available to men in the event of a draft (attending college, physical limitations or problems, etc.)

[A18]

The military is NOT about anyone's right to fight. Why do people give this ridiculous arguments people give for allowing women in the military.

I cannot believe some people actually support the notion of drafting women, regardless of whether there's a draft at all. Talk about lack of character.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

While I believe that a draft is at present neither needed, desireable, nor likely, if a draft were to occur, then even if women were to be barred from the direct combat roles, they can still perform a number of vital functions, especially in the Air Force and Navy.

[A18]

So could men. Just draft men instead.

[Silent Hunter]

I don't see anything wrong with women in the armed forces. I'd probably allow pregnant women to sit out a draft though.

[A18]

lol. PROBABLY?!

[Gabu]

The military is NOT about anyone's right to fight. Why do people give this ridiculous arguments people give for allowing women in the military.

I cannot believe some people actually support the notion of drafting women, regardless of whether there's a draft at all. Talk about lack of character.

I oppose the draft in an unqualified manner, but if we do have a draft, why exclude women who are fit to serve?  Both able men and women should be included if we really believe in the idea of equality.  This would, of course, include a lot more men than women, since men are more likely to be fit to serve, but there's no reason to exclude a woman just for being a woman.

[A18]

Women are not fighters emotionally (by nature), no matter how physically fit they are. It's not their duty to fight for the country, and as such it is immoral to draft them.

Why would you waste all that money setting up separate female facilities (I assume you don't want men and women working together, for obvious reasons)? To have women, and no other reason. With men, the reason is to protect the country.

Anyway, who was that woman who was captured in Iraq again? She wasn't sent to fight on the front lines, but she sure ended up in danger. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.