Alabama Racism: A Tale of Three Maps

[Rob]

Funny stuff.

2000 Referendum (Interracial Marriage)


2008 Democratic Primary (US President)


2008 General (Party Swing)


Draw your own conclusions...

[The Man From G.O.P.]

Thanks for the update.


So is blacks voting in 95+% margins for black candidates racist?

[Sbane]

Thanks for the update.


So is blacks voting in 95+% margins for black candidates racist?

Can you refresh my memory as to what percentage of blacks voted for Michael Steele, a moderate black republican, in the US senate race in MD. K thnx bye.

[Rob]

So is blacks voting in 95+% margins for black candidates racist?

I don't know how you manage to post on a forum without being able to read, but the first map is of a referendum- no candidates involved. Is it racist to vote against legalizing interracial marriage, or not?

[Lief 🗽]

Thanks for the update.


So is blacks voting in 95+% margins for black candidates racist?

Percent of blacks who vote for a white Democrat: 90%
Percent of blacks who vote for a black Democrat: 95%

OMGRACISM!!!11

[memphis]

Interesting how the mostly white Tennessee Valley in N. Alabama voted with the blacks down south in the first map.

[Meeker]

There was a referendum to legalize interracial marriage in 2000?

[dead0man]

There was a referendum to legalize interracial marriage in 2000?

No sh**t!  What the hell, that can't be right.  <looks it ups>  link

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Link to the wiki on Loving vs Virginia that made it legal everywhere in the US in 1967.  Backwards ass racist bastards our parents were.  1967 wasn't that long ago.

[Alcon]

There was actually a non-racist argument against this, something about opening up a loophole to INFINITE EDUCATION SPENDING or something?

[Rob]

There was actually a non-racist argument against this, something about opening up a loophole to INFINITE EDUCATION SPENDING or something?

That was an argument against interracial marriage?

[Lief 🗽]

There was actually a non-racist argument against this, something about opening up a loophole to INFINITE EDUCATION SPENDING or something?

wait what. How can the two be related at all?

[nclib]

For reference purposes, can someone post black pop. by county, as I would imagine that the black-majority counties supported the repeal and most white-majority counties opposed the repeal, though I'd be interested in seeing where there was sizeable white support.

[justfollowingtheelections]

Alabama is such a disgrace of a state.  Can we expel them from the Union?

[Smash255]

For reference purposes, can someone post black pop. by county, as I would imagine that the black-majority counties supported the repeal and most white-majority counties opposed the repeal, though I'd be interested in seeing where there was sizeable white support.

Madison County (which is the dark green county in Northern Alabama on the Referendum map), the only county Obama won in the Primary in northern Alabama, and the only county which swung towards Obama is 71% white 22.8% Black.   Madison County is probably the only place in Alabama where you might find some white liberals (Huntsville).

[Alcon]

There was actually a non-racist argument against this, something about opening up a loophole to INFINITE EDUCATION SPENDING or something?

That was an argument against interracial marriage?

There was actually a non-racist argument against this, something about opening up a loophole to INFINITE EDUCATION SPENDING or something?

wait what. How can the two be related at all?

No, but I swear that there was a supposed "hidden" side effect of this bill.  It came up when we discussed it before...

Of course, the correlation still clearly exists either way, let's not kid ourselves.

[minionofmidas]

For reference purposes, can someone post black pop. by county, as I would imagine that the black-majority counties supported the repeal and most white-majority counties opposed the repeal, though I'd be interested in seeing where there was sizeable white support.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No, but I swear that there was a supposed "hidden" side effect of this bill.  It came up when we discussed it before...

Of course, the correlation still clearly exists either way, let's not kid ourselves.

The point of that sort of thing is to act as (obviously hollow and obvious bad) justification...

[Hyperfast]

States with counties that swung away from Obama. OMGZ they must be racist too like Alabama.

























23 states that have racist counties. Smart saying that maybe they should leave the Union...well some of the states tried and the Union wouldn't let them. Oklahoma by far is the most racist...why isn't it picked on near as much. Besides being a joke state politically.

[nclib]

Even if Dems who voted for Kerry and against Obama were mostly racist (which isn't a given), those maps only point out racist Kerry voters, and there are far more racists in the Republican party, esp. at the top of the ticket. Mississippi, for example, had few counties to swing Republican, because Mississippi whites were already overwhelmingly Republican.

[minionofmidas]

States with counties that swung away from Obama. OMGZ they must be racist too like Alabama.

Are these just as well correlated with both the primary and an obviously racist recent referendum?

[minionofmidas]

Even if Dems who voted for Kerry and against Obama were mostly racist (which isn't a given), those maps only point out racist Kerry voters, and there are far more racists in the Republican party, esp. at the top of the ticket. Mississippi, for example, had few counties to swing Republican, because Mississippi whites were already overwhelmingly Republican.

Perfectly true, of course.

[JohnnyLongtorso]

Oklahoma by far is the most racist...why isn't it picked on near as much. Besides being a joke state politically.

Oh, but it is.

[Holmes]

States with counties that swung away from Obama. OMGZ they must be racist too like Alabama.

Iowa, Minnesota and Nebraska are obviously the biggest biggots in the Union.

[ag]

Hm. let' see.

MA was Kerry's home state - naturally, it now reverts to more normal (less lopsided) voting patterns. AZ is McCain's home (strangely forgotten above, actually): again, local factors obviously explain things. In the Midwest/Northern Plains (Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, South Dakota) we have a total of 8 tiny counties (one of them w/ under 400 votes) w/ miniscule swing and decreased turnout (people move out, people die): any zillion factors could explain insignifficant wiggles.

Sorry, what's left is very peculiar: Appalachians, Ozarks, Gulf Coast/ Northern Florida, some enclaves elsewhere in the South. Places w/ lots of poor whites and a history of racial tensions. Ok, in Arkansas some of the deepest blue has another local explanation. Still: I am happy to hear out an alternative hypothesis, that's not involving racial attitudes, but I would be hard pressed to dismiss race as a factor here

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Hm. let' see.

MA was Kerry's home state - naturally, it now reverts to more normal (less lopsided) voting patterns. AZ is McCain's home (strangely forgotten above, actually): again, local factors obviously explain things. In the Midwest/Northern Plains (Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, South Dakota) we have a total of 8 tiny counties (one of them w/ under 400 votes) w/ miniscule swing and decreased turnout (people move out, people die): any zillion factors could explain insignifficant wiggles.

Sorry, what's left is very peculiar: Appalachians, Ozarks, Gulf Coast/ Northern Florida, some enclaves elsewhere in the South. Places w/ lots of poor whites and a history of racial tensions. Ok, in Arkansas some of the deepest blue has another local explanation. Still: I am happy to hear out an alternative hypothesis, that's not involving racial attitudes, but I would be hard pressed to dismiss race as a factor here

Race is obviously a factor, I don't see why this would surprise people.