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« Reply #5600 on: August 08, 2010, 09:13:29 AM »



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Three good days for Obama, and Thursday's number was at the upper edge of the normal range.  We should know tomorrow if this is a bad sample or if this is movement towards Obama.

Just watch the statewide polls that Rasmussen makes so many of. If some states on my map go from brown to orange or beige, beige to sand, sand to green, or from paler shades of  green to darker shades of green on my map of polls, then something is going on. Some states might be more volatile than others, especially those that have been at the top of their categories, and some states (CO? NC? NV? TX?) may be more volatile than others. Statewide polls tend to lag nationwide polls.
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« Reply #5601 on: August 08, 2010, 11:07:17 AM »



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 48%, u.

Disapprove 51%, u.


"Strongly Approve" is at 31%, +1.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 41%, u.

Three good days for Obama, and Thursday's number was at the upper edge of the normal range.  We should know tomorrow if this is a bad sample or if this is movement towards Obama.

Just watch the statewide polls that Rasmussen makes so many of. If some states on my map go from brown to orange or beige, beige to sand, sand to green, or from paler shades of  green to darker shades of green on my map of polls, then something is going on. Some states might be more volatile than others, especially those that have been at the top of their categories, and some states (CO? NC? NV? TX?) may be more volatile than others. Statewide polls tend to lag nationwide polls.

I'm looking nationally at this point and for trends.  It is a far cry from last year when Obama getting 48% is considered a very good number.
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« Reply #5602 on: August 09, 2010, 07:43:50 AM »
« Edited: August 09, 2010, 05:03:37 PM by pbrower2a »

New Hampshire Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted August 5, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       36% Strongly approve  

       13% Somewhat approve

         8% Somewhat disapprove

       42% Strongly disapprove

         1% Not sure

Iowa Survey of 500 Likely Voters

Conducted August 5, 2010

By Rasmussen Reports

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

      

       29% Strongly approve

       19% Somewhat approve

         8% Somewhat disapprove

       44% Strongly disapprove

         0% Not sure




Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)

<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll




District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 78
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  44
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10% 127



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

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« Reply #5603 on: August 09, 2010, 08:55:25 AM »



Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 46%, -2.

Disapprove 52%, +1.


"Strongly Approve" is at 28%, -3.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 43%, +2.

Good Obama sample dropped off.  The Strongly Approved number is at the high end of the normal range.

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« Reply #5604 on: August 09, 2010, 01:17:24 PM »

Iowa (Rasmussen): 48-52
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« Reply #5605 on: August 09, 2010, 02:10:09 PM »
« Edited: August 09, 2010, 02:14:01 PM by Emperor JBrase »

IA, SD, CA, NC, NH,  & DE


30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green
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« Reply #5606 on: August 10, 2010, 01:44:03 AM »

Gallup 45/48

Obama's approval among whites is 34%.
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« Reply #5607 on: August 10, 2010, 02:07:12 AM »

Gallup 45/48

Obama's approval among whites is 34%.

Where did you get the Crosstabs?  I've been looking for those for a while now.
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« Reply #5608 on: August 10, 2010, 03:04:25 AM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racisim when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.
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« Reply #5609 on: August 10, 2010, 03:24:31 AM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racisim when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

Thx.  Though the more interesting bit I found was that he was at 48% among Hispanics last week, though their small sample size makes big fluctuations more likely (he's back up to 62% this week), and that the Black/White gap is now 60% (94-34)

Though judging from those numbers, Gallup's weighting totals are approximately 75% White, 12.5% Hispanic, and 12.5% Black (assuming no other demographic subgroups were included).  It might be a bit less white and Hispanic, and a bit more black, but this is approximately correct.
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« Reply #5610 on: August 10, 2010, 06:06:48 AM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racisim when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.


Yeah....totally...
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« Reply #5611 on: August 10, 2010, 07:06:36 AM »
« Edited: August 10, 2010, 08:34:35 AM by pbrower2a »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racism when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

In a contest between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, Sarah Palin would still get the majority of the white vote nationwide. Maybe barely, but not enough to undo regional differences (the white vote really would go to Obama in Minnesota and Vermont).  She stands four-square for Corporate America and believes the myth that Corporate America offers.

Gutter racism is a comparative rarity in most of America. White people do not on the whole despise the legitimate achievements of non-white people. They don't have a problem with Clarence Thomas if he fits personal ideologies. Yes, Barack Obama was able to do better than Al Gore, John Kerry, Walter Mondale, and Jimmy Carter in winning white votes. He must have done something right.

I'm not going to deny the existence of such scum as the KKK, neo-Nazis, and the White Conservative Citizens' Councils. That said, blacks have some similarly-sleazy loose ends among themselves. If there is any distinction it is in some core political beliefs very rare among blacks and Latinos. The ideology is social darwinism, an ideology that accepts that all distinctions of human achievement result from inherent character instead of social environment, and that if people fail to achieve beyond an animal level of survival than it is a personal fault and not the result of an institutional failure.

Social darwinism is the core of the GOP ideology and such shows in its contempt for poor people of any kind who fail to accept the idea that if they work hard enough without complaint about the conditions of employment and terms of pay that they can live adequately. Such is not inherently racist; it is classist. It's an acceptance of the rules of economic inheritance and bureaucratic power; in essence it claims that people have an obligation to accept the consequences of choices made by tycoons and corporate bureaucrats as the true measure of human worth in economic terms. It is also anti-intellectual.

Social darwinism is not inherently racist, but it is comparatively rare among blacks, Latinos, and Asians. But it is surprising that poor white people have come to accept social darwinism as an ideology despite its harm. Maybe such was the sales pitch of televangelists who offer "pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die" as a reward for acceptance of harsh realities of economics.  
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« Reply #5612 on: August 10, 2010, 08:39:44 AM »


Rasmussen Obama (National)

Approve 44%, -2.

Disapprove 55%, +3.


"Strongly Approve" is at 26%, -2.  "Strongly Disapprove" is at 45%, +2.

The numbers are within the same range before last weekend.  While Obama's numbers have shown a dramatic drop over the last two days, it is consistent with a good Obama sample dropping off.

Note, however, that Approve is lower than Strongly Disapprove (which is also consistent with the previous pattern).
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« Reply #5613 on: August 10, 2010, 08:42:16 AM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racism when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

In a contest between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, Sarah Palin would still get the majority of the white vote nationwide. Maybe barely, but not enough to undo regional differences (the white vote really would go to Obama in Minnesota and Vermont).  She stands four-square for Corporate America and believes the myth that Corporate America offers.

Gutter racism is a comparative rarity in most of America. White people do not on the whole despise the legitimate achievements of non-white people. They don't have a problem with Clarence Thomas if he fits personal ideologies. Yes, Barack Obama was able to do better than Al Gore, John Kerry, Walter Mondale, and Jimmy Carter in winning white votes. He must have done something right.

I'm not going to deny the existence of such scum as the KKK, neo-Nazis, and the White Conservative Citizens' Councils. That said, blacks have some similarly-sleazy loose ends among themselves. If there is any distinction it is in some core political beliefs very rare among blacks and Latinos. The ideology is social darwinism, an ideology that accepts that all distinctions of human achievement result from inherent character instead of social environment, and that if people fail to achieve beyond an animal level of survival than it is a personal fault and not the result of an institutional failure.

Social darwinism is the core of the GOP ideology and such shows in its contempt for poor people of any kind who fail to accept the idea that if they work hard enough without complaint about the conditions of employment and terms of pay that they can live adequately. Such is not inherently racist; it is classist. It's an acceptance of the rules of economic inheritance and bureaucratic power; in essence it claims that people have an obligation to accept the consequences of choices made by tycoons and corporate bureaucrats as the true measure of human worth in economic terms. It is also anti-intellectual.

Social darwinism is not inherently racist, but it is comparatively rare among blacks, Latinos, and Asians. But it is surprising that poor white people have come to accept social darwinism as an ideology despite its harm. Maybe such was the sales pitch of televangelists who offer "pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die" as a reward for acceptance of harsh realities of economics.  

You are both spot on and dead wrong, depending on the point you were trying to make in the post.

The GOP and right-wing voters do not hate the poor. Many are descendants of poor immigrants. Some of them are poor themselves, and they all remember what it was like to be in their 20's. Get real.

Republicans politicians are no more pro-corporation that Obama. If anything they are less likely to support corporations. Right-wing voters themselves are very pro-small business.
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« Reply #5614 on: August 10, 2010, 10:41:04 AM »
« Edited: August 10, 2010, 11:48:56 AM by pbrower2a »

New Hampshire

Survey of 500 Likely Voters

August 5, 2010

 

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

  

    36% Strongly approve

     13% Somewhat approve

      8% Somewhat disapprove

    42% Strongly disapprove

      1% Not sure




Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)

<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll




District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  79
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 81
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10% 138



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

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« Reply #5615 on: August 10, 2010, 10:50:59 AM »

Indiana Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 4,5 and 7, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    19% Strongly approve
    20% Somewhat approve
    13% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure

A shift of 4% is enough to move a state from a close contest to something on the fringe of contention. President Obama obviously wins Indiana only if he wins by a nationwide landslide or has a strong presence in the state from before the spring of 2012. If he sees himself losing Indiana by a 55-45 margin (which my system predicts based on a 39% approval), then he will shift resources to where they can do more good for him. 




Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)

<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll




District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 78
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10% 138



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

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« Reply #5616 on: August 10, 2010, 10:59:10 AM »

Indiana Survey of 500 Likely Voters
Conducted August 4,5 and 7, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

1* How would you rate the job Barack Obama has been doing as President… do you strongly approve, somewhat approve, somewhat disapprove, or strongly disapprove of the job he’s been doing?

    19% Strongly approve
    20% Somewhat approve
    13% Somewhat disapprove
    47% Strongly disapprove
      2% Not sure

A shift of 4% is enough to move a state from a close contest to something on the fringe of contention. President Obama obviously wins Indiana only if he wins by a nationwide landslide or has a strong presence in the state from before the spring of 2012. If he sees himself losing Indiana by a 55-45 margin (which my system predicts based on a 39% approval), then he will shift resources to where they can do more good for him. 




Key:


<40% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Orange (50% if 60%-69% or higher disapproval, 90% if >70%)
40-43% with Disapproval Higher: 50% Yellow  
44% with Disapproval Higher: 40% Yellow  
45-49% with Disapproval Higher: 30% Yellow  
<50% with Approval Equal: 10% Yellow (really white)

<50%  Approval greater: 30% Green
50-55%: 40% Green
56-59%: 60% Green
60%+: 80% Green
DC, what else could you expect?


Months (All polls are from 2010):

A -  January     G -  July
B -  February   H -  August
C -  March        I -  September
D -  April          J  -  October
E -  May           K -  November
F -   June         L -   December

 

S - suspect poll (examples for such a qualification: strange crosstabs, likely inversion of the report (for inversions, only for polls above 55% or below 45%...  let's say Vermont 35% approval or Oklahoma 65% approval), or more than 10% undecided. Anyone who suggests that a poll is suspect must explain why it is suspect.

Partisan polls and polls for special interests (trade associations, labor unions, ethnic associations) are excluded.

Z- no recent poll




District of Columbia, assumed to be about a 90% win for Obama, 3
deep red                  Obama 10% margin or greater  138
medium red              Obama, 5-9.9% margin  82
pale red                   Obama, margin under 5% 78
white                        too close to call  35
pale blue                  Republican  under 5%  33
medium blue             Republican  5-9.9% margin  41
deep blue                 Republican over 10% 138



44% approval is roughly the break-even  point (50/50) for an incumbent's win.  I add 6% for approval between 40% and 46%, 5% at 46%, 4% between 47% and 50%, 3% for 51%, 2% for 52% or 53%, 1% for 54% and nothing above 55% or below 40% for an estimate of the vote.

 This model applies only to incumbents, who have plenty of advantages unless they are demonstrable failures.

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You've made Indiana green as opposed to yellow...

It's supposed to be orange!
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« Reply #5617 on: August 10, 2010, 11:10:23 AM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racisim when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

Gallup was really off in 2008, well outside of the MOE.
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« Reply #5618 on: August 10, 2010, 11:21:21 AM »

Gallup was well-off in 2008 because it was too favorable to Obama.

yes, it could be off but it wouldn't be off in a way that is too unfavorable to Obama.
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« Reply #5619 on: August 10, 2010, 11:42:10 AM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Approval-Center.aspx

Let's just say that Gallup is a pretty favorable poll for Obama in the sense that it polls a ton of minorities.  The white vote more than likely isn't 70% of the sample in Gallup.

I cannot wait to watch Pbrower scream racism when Palin is running up to 60% of the white vote on election day in 2012.

In a contest between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, Sarah Palin would still get the majority of the white vote nationwide. Maybe barely, but not enough to undo regional differences (the white vote really would go to Obama in Minnesota and Vermont).  She stands four-square for Corporate America and believes the myth that Corporate America offers.

Gutter racism is a comparative rarity in most of America. White people do not on the whole despise the legitimate achievements of non-white people. They don't have a problem with Clarence Thomas if he fits personal ideologies. Yes, Barack Obama was able to do better than Al Gore, John Kerry, Walter Mondale, and Jimmy Carter in winning white votes. He must have done something right.

I'm not going to deny the existence of such scum as the KKK, neo-Nazis, and the White Conservative Citizens' Councils. That said, blacks have some similarly-sleazy loose ends among themselves. If there is any distinction it is in some core political beliefs very rare among blacks and Latinos. The ideology is social darwinism, an ideology that accepts that all distinctions of human achievement result from inherent character instead of social environment, and that if people fail to achieve beyond an animal level of survival than it is a personal fault and not the result of an institutional failure.

Social darwinism is the core of the GOP ideology and such shows in its contempt for poor people of any kind who fail to accept the idea that if they work hard enough without complaint about the conditions of employment and terms of pay that they can live adequately. Such is not inherently racist; it is classist. It's an acceptance of the rules of economic inheritance and bureaucratic power; in essence it claims that people have an obligation to accept the consequences of choices made by tycoons and corporate bureaucrats as the true measure of human worth in economic terms. It is also anti-intellectual.

Social darwinism is not inherently racist, but it is comparatively rare among blacks, Latinos, and Asians. But it is surprising that poor white people have come to accept social darwinism as an ideology despite its harm. Maybe such was the sales pitch of televangelists who offer "pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die" as a reward for acceptance of harsh realities of economics.  

You are both spot on and dead wrong, depending on the point you were trying to make in the post.

The GOP and right-wing voters do not hate the poor. Many are descendants of poor immigrants. Some of them are poor themselves, and they all remember what it was like to be in their 20's. Get real.

Republicans politicians are no more pro-corporation that Obama. If anything they are less likely to support corporations. Right-wing voters themselves are very pro-small business.

The New York Times had a remarkable tool for analyzing the 2008 Presidential election in which it gave a county-by-county spread of the vote and other factors -- such as percentages of people by ethnicity and religion, population density, income level, and percentage of people living in poverty.  The old pattern in which high-achieving, prosperous people voted Democratic and low-achieving, poor people voting Democratic that used to hold true did not hold true in 2008.

President Obama actually won some of the counties with the highest incomes -- including Westchester, Nassau, and Suffolk Counties in New York; every county in Massachusetts, DuPage and Will Counties in Illinois; Washtenaw County in Michigan, Prince George's and Montgomery County in Maryland; Loudoun and Fairfax Counties in Virginia; Marin, San Mateo, and Santa Clara Counties in California... it's not that these counties are full of middle-class blacks and Hispanics to the exclusion of everyone else. In contrast, some very poor counties in Appalachia -- places of severe poverty, low levels of personal income, and low achievements in education, voted strongly for John McCain.

There were some very poor communities that voted for Barack Obama, but those counties typically had high percentages of people either Native American (some Indian Reservations), black, or Hispanic. Poor white Americans, however, voted heavily Republican. The usual common wisdom that one can win the votes of poor people by promising welfare and upper-income people by promising tax cuts did not hold in 2008.

To the supreme credit of John McCain, he did not attack welfare recipients as Republican candidates used to do. But at that, Barack Obama treated poverty as the political equivalent of a Third Rail. Maybe Barack Obama couldn't safely address structural poverty in America as someone like Bill Clinton could. To win, Obama had to convince enough suburbanites that their problems were more the deterioration of public services and infrastructure than the "need" to cut taxes. To maintain middle-class status for their children, suburbanites need huge investments in public education that keep the costs of public colleges low enough so that kids can grow up to be schoolteachers, accountants, engineers, and the like instead of being consigned to permanent poverty in retail and clerical jobs. Likewise, traffic jams are often getting worse, and those cut into "quality time" with the kids. White poor people in rural areas have no such problem. Their kids often don't graduate from high school, and they are more likely to be members of fundamentalist churches that promise "pie-in-the-sky-when-you-die" as a reward for suffering in This World. They of course encounter a traffic jam only if they take an unlikely trip to Louisville, Cincinnati, Dallas, or Charlotte. If they die because of lacking medical care at age 55, they at least "are taken to Jesus".   Such may be the divide between those who prefer comfort in This World to That that can never be known here. Poor blacks, Hispanics, and unassimilated native Americans don't believe such claptrap -- yet. 





   
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« Reply #5620 on: August 10, 2010, 12:03:09 PM »

You did not discredit anything I said. You did not even address anything I said.

All you did was try to make things about race.
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« Reply #5621 on: August 10, 2010, 12:34:38 PM »
« Edited: August 10, 2010, 01:54:33 PM by Emperor JBrase »

IN, DE, & CO


30%-39%-Dark Dark Red
40%-44%- Dark Red
45-49%- Red
tied - White
Under 50% approval but approval higher than disapproval- Yellow
50%-54%- Light Green
55%-59%- Green
60%+- Dark Green
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« Reply #5622 on: August 10, 2010, 12:57:52 PM »

CO (PPP): 44-50
 
DE (PPP): 50-44

Tennessee (Rasmussen) coming later.
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« Reply #5623 on: August 10, 2010, 02:12:41 PM »




Now here's what real trouble looks like for a politician:

California State Survey of 750 Likely Voters
Conducted August 3, 2010
By Rasmussen Reports

Now I’m going to read you a short list of people in the News. For each, please let me know if you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable, or very unfavorable impression.

 

1.   Maxine Waters

 

                   12% Very favorable

                   16% Somewhat favorable

                   14% Somewhat unfavorable

                   34% Very unfavorable

                   24% Not sure
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« Reply #5624 on: August 10, 2010, 02:18:16 PM »

You did not discredit anything I said. You did not even address anything I said.

All you did was try to make things about race.

No. I discussed class and race together. Is that heretical -- or simply necessary?

I even said something good about the McCain candidacy.

I explained why poor whites could vote so differently from poor blacks, poor Hispanics, and poor American Indians.
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